On 1/28/2018 7:12 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
loghaD:
«maH Hoch» = all/each of us, without exception (useful for describing unanimous vs. collective decisions and the like)
I was under the impression that using {Hoch} directly after a plural noun, meant "all of the.." , being able to convey only a plural meaning.
For example {chabmey Hoch} "all of the pies"; {chabmey Hoch DISopta'} "we ate all of the pies".
On the other hand, placing Hoch after a singular noun, means "all of the..", expressing a singular meaning. {chab Hoch wISopta'} "we ate all of the pie".
The "each" meaning, is expressed only if we place the {Hoch} in front of a singular noun. {Hoch chab wISopta'} "we ate each pie".
So, I can't understand how writing {maH Hoch} could mean "each of us".
What we know from canon: * Putting *Hoch* in front of a noun not marked as plural means /each noun, considered individually./ * Putting *Hoch *in front of a noun marked as plural means /all nouns, taken as a whole./ * Putting *'op* in front of a noun means /some of the nouns; some number of multiple nouns. / * Putting *HochHom* after a noun means /most of noun; out of a single noun, most of it./ // What I extrapolate from canon, and which can be built using other grammatical rules, but which I cannot prove: * Putting *Hoch* after a noun means /all of noun; out of a single noun, all of it./ * Putting *'op* after a noun means /some of noun; out of a single noun, some of it./ * Putting *HochHom* in front of a noun means /most of the nouns; out of all nouns, most of them./ Canonical rules: * *Hoch chab */each pie/ * *Hoch chabmey*/all pies/ * *'op chab, 'op chabmey*/some pies/ (dunno if there's an /each/all/ distinction here) * *chab HochHom*///most of the pie/ Extrapolation: * *chab Hoch*/all of the pie/ * *chab 'op*/most of the pie/ * *HochHom chab, HochHom chabmey*/most of the pies/ (dunno if there's an /each/all/ distinction here) // -- SuStel http://trimboli.name