On 3/11/2019 1:18 PM, Lieven L. Litaer wrote:
Am 11.03.2019 um 17:11 schrieb SuStel:
It's awkward in English to say /enter here;/
In this entire discussion, this is what is my question: can you really {'el} the {naDev}?
I think of {'el} as "going into an enclosed area". Even the sector does not have walls around it, but it has an invisible or imagined border. "here" does not have a set border, it's more like a spot, wherever you point your finger at.
Perhaps that's the reason why it sounds awkward.
Unless I have missed a relevant canon example.
*naDev* and /here/ are deitic, completely dependent on surrounding context to have meaning. Whatever /here/ or *naDev* you're referring to has the properties of that place. If /here/ or *naDev* is a box, then it's got the properties of a box. I don't know if *naDev vI'el* is awkward in Klingon, but if it is, it's probably because of the usual redundancy of locative-sense verbs having locative-marked objects. *naDev* is not marked locative, but it's always locative anyway. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name