On 3/12/2019 11:42 AM, SuStel wrote:
On 3/12/2019 11:27 AM, mayqel qunen'oS wrote:
Is ghItlh to be treated as jatlh, with regards to quotations and reporting things others have written ?
No.
So far as I know, only *jatlh* and *ja'* have been confirmed as "verbs of saying." *tlhob* is used as a verb of saying in /Power Klingon,/ but in his interview with charghwI' about this <http://klingonska.org/canon/1998-12-holqed-07-4.txt>, he says that *tlhob, jang, *and*ghel* aren't used as verbs of saying. He was asked about and failed to answer to *bach* (slang), *chel, chup, jach,* and *SIv.*
He also used *jang* as a verb of saying three times in /paq'batlh,/ if these aren't some of those lines translated by someone else. Here's the first: *lujang meQboghnom 'oH yeqchuqchu'taHghach Daw' je joqwI' * /They reply it is the meQboghnom, The banner of unity And revolution. / The word *ra'* specifically avoids being a verb of saying in /paq'batlh,/ and then in the very next stanza *jang *is used as a verb of saying again: *mangghomvam DevwI' luDel 'e' ra' molor vaj ghaH lujang* *mangghom luDev wej loD wa' Doj law' Hoch Doj puS 'etlhDaj jeq vagh DuQwI'Hom* /Molor asks them, Who leads these armies, And they reply:/ /"Three men lead the army With one who is most impressive With a five pointed blade."/ *tlhob* is used twice in /paq'batlh,/ each time avoiding being a verb of saying by using *'e',* like *ra' *above. *ghel* does not appear in /paq'batlh./ *jach* does appear in /paq'batlh,/ and sometimes it's a verb of saying and sometimes it's not. Here's one where it's not: *jach veqlargh jatlh muqaD vay' 'ej ghe'tor 'el porgh nuqDaq ghaH petaQ'e'* /He [Fek'lhr] screamed: "Where is the p'takh Who dares to enter Gre'thor Within a body?!/ In each case where it is a verb of saying, it's the last word of a stanza, and the next stanza is the quotation. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name