On 3/12/2019 11:27 AM, mayqel qunen'oS wrote:
Is ghItlh to be treated as jatlh, with regards to quotations and reporting things others have written ?No.
So far as I know, only jatlh and ja' have been confirmed as "verbs of saying." tlhob is used as a verb of saying in Power Klingon, but in his interview with charghwI' about this <http://klingonska.org/canon/1998-12-holqed-07-4.txt>, he says that tlhob, jang, and ghel aren't used as verbs of saying. He was asked about and failed to answer to bach (slang), chel, chup, jach, and SIv.
He also used jang as a verb of saying three times in paq'batlh, if these aren't some of those lines translated by someone else. Here's the first:
lujang meQboghnom 'oH
yeqchuqchu'taHghach
Daw' je joqwI'
They reply it is the meQboghnom,
The banner of unity
And revolution.
The word ra' specifically avoids being a verb of saying
in paq'batlh, and then in the very next stanza jang is
used as a verb of saying again:
mangghomvam DevwI'
luDel 'e' ra' molor
vaj ghaH lujangmangghom luDev wej loD
wa' Doj law' Hoch Doj puS
'etlhDaj jeq vagh DuQwI'HomMolor asks them,
Who leads these armies,
And they reply:"Three men lead the army
With one who is most impressive
With a five pointed blade."
tlhob is used twice in paq'batlh, each time avoiding being a verb of saying by using 'e', like ra' above. ghel does not appear in paq'batlh.
jach does appear in paq'batlh, and sometimes it's a verb of saying and sometimes it's not. Here's one where it's not:
jach veqlargh jatlh
muqaD vay' 'ej ghe'tor 'el porgh
nuqDaq ghaH petaQ'e'He [Fek'lhr] screamed: "Where is the p'takh
Who dares to enter Gre'thor
Within a body?!
In each case where it is a verb of saying, it's the last word of
a stanza, and the next stanza is the quotation.
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