I don't know if this influenced MO, but in the Midwestern accent, final /t/ is often realized as a glottal stop. So {DItroy'} makes sense to me. bI'reng On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 4:26 PM Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu> wrote:
When I saw {DItroy’} I thought Okrand was attempting to render the French pronunciation – sort of! - or perhaps an odd mix of French and English. Fort Pontchartrain du Détroit <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Pontchartrain_du_D%C3%A9troit> was originally a French fort founded in 1701.
Or not wanting to add an extra vowel he could also have simply dropped the final consonant, such as {'entepray'} Enterprise, {lIHtentay’} Liechtenstein and {‘oSteray’} Österreich. He routinely does this with Terran names ending in –land: {DoyIchlan} Deutschland, {ne'Derlan} Netherlands, {'Inglan} England, {SIqotlan <http://www.klingonwiki.net/bin/view/Word/SIkotlan>} Scotland, {nu'SIylan} New Zealand and {‘ISlan} Iceland.
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*From:* nIqolay Q *Sent:* Monday, October 12, 2020
On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 2:23 PM SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
On 10/12/2020 2:04 PM, nIqolay Q wrote:
On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 10:45 AM Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu> wrote:
Thanks for the source. I was perusing the qep'a' 2020 new words list over the weekend and discovered another one {DItroy'} Detroit.
Interesting example of using a glottal stop to transliterate a "t" in a syllable that otherwise already ends in a consonant.
The final *t* in *Detroit* is not aspirated the way a Klingon *t* always is. A glottal stop is actually closer in sound to the unaspirated *t.*
Aspiration doesn't seem to play much of a role in transliterations. In the case of "Detroit", you can't just transliterate the final syllable as *-oyt*, because -*oyt* isn't an allowed syllable ending in Klingon phonotactics. Sometimes, Okrand deals with this (consonant after diphthong) by adding another syllable: "Deutsch" (in "Deutschland") -> **Doych* -> *DoyIch*. But in this case, since *'* is similar to "t", and *-oy'* is an allowed Klingon syllable ending, you can just do that. _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org