On 4/15/2021 7:52 AM, mayqel qunen'oS wrote:
choqIpDI', ghIq/ngugh pagh qa'atmoH as soon as you hit me, at that time/subsequently I'll disinherit you
choqIpchugh, vaj pagh qa'atmoH if you hit me, in that case I'll disinherit you
cha' tlhIngan mu'tlheghvam vorgh vIlaDtaHvIS, jumbogh pagh vIjem. 'a DaH jIqon:
choqIpDI', vaj pagh qa'atmoH as soon as you hit me, in that case I'll disinherit you
choqIpchugh, ghIq/ngugh qa'atmoH if you hit me, at that time/subsequently I'll disinherit you
cha' tlhIngan mu'tlheghvam vIlaDtaHvIS, jumlaw' vay', 'a pagh pab chut lubIv.
vaj merghchugh {-DI'} {vaj} je, 'ej merghchugh {-chugh} {ghIq/ngugh} je, lugh'a'?
There are a couple of things going on here. First, I'm going to use *'atHa'moH* for /disinherit./ Next, *-DI'* means /as soon as/ in the sense of when something happens, not /if/ something happens. The thing you're describing may or may not actually happen, but *-DI'* lets you describe /when/ it happens. Meanwhile, *vaj* introduces a consequence of something or a conclusion, and *ngugh* refers back to a time already mentioned. So if you say *choqIpchugh, ngugh qa'atHa'moH,* you're referring back to a time you haven't set up. Sure, you can figure out that you mean the time I get hit, but you didn't actually /say/ that. Likewise, if you say *choqIpDI', vaj qa'atHa'moH,* you're setting up the disinheriting as a consequence of some other action or a conclusion based on other information, but you haven't actually said what that action or information was. Sure, you can figure out that the action mentioned in the time of hitting is what you're talking about, but that's not what you actually said. And finally, using *vaj* or *ngugh* here is redundant anyway. *choqIpchugh, qa'atHa'moH*/If you hit me, I'll disinherit you. /*choqIpDI', qa'atHa'moH*/When you hit me, I'll disinherit you./ These sentences mean exactly what you want without the adverbial. Yes, Okrand often includes a redundant *vaj* after a *-chugh* clause, so I won't tell you not to do it, but I do say you should carefully consider just why you're adding these adverbials at all. Is it perhaps to mimic Greek or English? -- SuStel http://trimboli.name