I have been enjoying seeing the different options proposed. I like both of these contrasting pairs: chu'wI' / ngo'wI' - newcomer / old-timer (proposed by De'vID) taghwI' / taHwI' - beginner / survivor (proposed by loghaD; seconded by voragh) I like chu'wI'/ngo'wI' for its simplicity and clarity, and its suitability to just about any context; I like taghwI'/taHwI' for the same reasons, and also because it is a minimal pair demonstrating the contrast between gh and H, and really emphasizes proper speech, as voragh mentioned. However, that could also be a source of confusion, e.g. when listening to a poor quality recording. The words are also indistinguishable from each other when whispered. I think if the situation is appropriate, SIQwI' “endurer” might be good. Perhaps it might even be appropriate in a general sense. It can also take aspect suffixes to indicate whether the experience endured is complete (QI' SIQpu'wI' - one who has served in the military and is no longer in active duty; a common use of the word “veteran”) or actively occurring (Quj'a' SIQtaHwI' - one who is experienced in a sport and still participating in it; another common use of “veteran”). In response to this note from Quvar:
PS: veteran in the military sense might be {SuvwI' po'} or {SuvwI' qan}.
tlhIngan SuvwI'pu' qan tu'lu'be'.
On Jul 13, 2018, at 23:36, Jackson Bradley <j.monroe.bradley@gmail.com> wrote:
chu'Ha'wI'? An un-newcomer?
2018-07-13 21:53 GMT-04:00 seruq <seruq@bellsouth.net>:
How about bampu'wI'? or: bamta'wI' bamchu'wI' or what fine-tuning is appropriate.
- DloraH
-------------------------------------------- On Fri, 7/13/18, Alan Anderson <qunchuy@alcaco.net> wrote:
Subject: [tlhIngan Hol] "rookie" vs "veteran" To: "Klingon language email discussion forum" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org> Date: Friday, July 13, 2018, 12:02 AM
I am trying to find a pair of relatively simple words that I can use to label people as the equivalent of rookies (it's their first time experiencing something) or veterans (they've been through it before).
I like {chu'wI'} "newcomer", but I can't decide what to use as its counterpart. Have any of you ever needed this kind of distinction, and if so, did you come up with anything satisfactory?
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