This always gives me so much trouble! Let me see if I've got this right.
So far as a {lor} is concerned, can you distill it down to the rule that the {lor} is the child of an opposite-sex sibling? your mother's brother has a {lor}, your father's sister has a {lor}, if you are a male, your sister has a {lor}, if you are female, your brother has a {lor}? This applies to children of the siblings of you or your parents.
(And {tey'} is used for the children of same-sex siblings).
Correct?
On 4/17/2017 10:33 AM, Terrence Donnelly wrote: * * There are two words related to your father's family: *tennuS* /father's brother/ and *'e'mam*/father's sister./ The first refers to men; the second to women. The spouses of these get the same words with *-nal* suffixed to them, keeping the maleness and femaleness appropriate: your *tennuS*'s wife is your *'e'mamnal,* while your *'e'mam*'s husband is your *tennuSnal.* There are two words related to your mother's family: *'IrneH*/mother's brother/ and *me'*/mother's sister.**/The first refers to men; the second to women. The spouses of these get the same words with *-nal* suffixed to them, keeping the maleness and femaleness appropriate: your *'IrneH*'s wife is your *me'nal,* while your *me'*'s husband is your *'IrneHnal.* The child of one of your parents' opposite-sex siblings (either *'e'mam* or *'IrneH*) is your *lor;* the child of one of your parents' same-sex siblings (either *tennuS* or *me'*) is your *tey'.* Both *lor* and *tey'* can specify whether they are male or female by adding *loD* or *be'*. But *lor* and *tey'* also refer to nieces and nephews. *lor* means the child of your sibling the opposite sex as you; *tey'* means the child of your sibling the same sex as you. They can still take *loD* and *be'* to distinguish their sexes. To distinguish between aunts/uncles and nieces/nephews, just explain the relationship (e.g., *loDnI' puq*). You normally do not distinguish if the information is not important. A group of *lor* and *tey'* are *vInpu';* the singular *vIn* is only used to refer to an individual in a group of *vInpu'.* A more distant uncle/aunt/niece/nephew relation is generally called a *yur.* A group of *yurpu' *might include some *lor* or *tey',* but you wouldn't use *yurpu'* if the group consisted /only/ of *lor* and *tey'.* *'e'nal* is someone married into the family whose relationship isn't specified. So to summarize: Your father's family uses the words *tennuS* and *'e'mam.* Your mother's family uses the words *'IrneH* and *me'.* *lor* are traced through opposite-sex siblings; *tey'* are traced through same-sex siblings. *vInpu'* are a group of *lor* and *tey'.* A *yur* is a more distant relation through siblings. An *'e'nal* married into the family but doesn't say to whom. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name