This always gives me so much trouble! Let me see if I've got this right. So far as a {lor} is concerned, can you distill it down to the rule that the {lor} is the child of an opposite-sex sibling? your mother's brother has a {lor}, your father's sister has a {lor}, if you are a male, your sister has a {lor}, if you are female, your brother has a {lor}? This applies to children of the siblings of you or your parents. (And {tey'} is used for the children of same-sex siblings). Correct? ter'eS From: Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu> To: "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org> Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Klingon Word of the Day: lorbe'

Klingon Word of the Day for Sunday, April 16, 2017

Klingon word: lorbe' Part of speech: noun Definition: female cousin (mother's brother's daughter or father's             sister's daughter), niece (man's sister's dau[] ghter Source: HQ (9:3 p8)

SEE ALSO: lor          cousin (mother's brother's child or father's           sister's child), niece or nephew (man's sister's           child or woman's brother's child) lorloD      male cousin (mother's brother's son or father's         sister's son), nephew (man's sister's son or woman's         brother's son) naHQun has a helpful chart of Klingon family relationships at: http://www.angelfire.com/tx4/purpleelaphants/tlhInganHol/qorDuSor.html -- Voragh tlhIngan ghantoH pIn'a' Ca'Non Master of the Klingons _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org

This always gives me so much trouble! Let me see if I've got this right.

So far as a {lor} is concerned, can you distill it down to the rule that the {lor} is the child of an opposite-sex sibling? your mother's brother has a {lor}, your father's sister has a {lor}, if you are a male, your sister has a {lor}, if you are female, your brother has a {lor}? This applies to children of the siblings of you or your parents.

(And {tey'} is used for the children of same-sex siblings).

Correct?

On 4/17/2017 10:33 AM, Terrence Donnelly wrote: * * There are two words related to your father's family: *tennuS* /father's brother/ and *'e'mam*/father's sister./ The first refers to men; the second to women. The spouses of these get the same words with *-nal* suffixed to them, keeping the maleness and femaleness appropriate: your *tennuS*'s wife is your *'e'mamnal,* while your *'e'mam*'s husband is your *tennuSnal.* There are two words related to your mother's family: *'IrneH*/mother's brother/ and *me'*/mother's sister.**/The first refers to men; the second to women. The spouses of these get the same words with *-nal* suffixed to them, keeping the maleness and femaleness appropriate: your *'IrneH*'s wife is your *me'nal,* while your *me'*'s husband is your *'IrneHnal.* The child of one of your parents' opposite-sex siblings (either *'e'mam* or *'IrneH*) is your *lor;* the child of one of your parents' same-sex siblings (either *tennuS* or *me'*) is your *tey'.* Both *lor* and *tey'* can specify whether they are male or female by adding *loD* or *be'*. But *lor* and *tey'* also refer to nieces and nephews. *lor* means the child of your sibling the opposite sex as you; *tey'* means the child of your sibling the same sex as you. They can still take *loD* and *be'* to distinguish their sexes. To distinguish between aunts/uncles and nieces/nephews, just explain the relationship (e.g., *loDnI' puq*). You normally do not distinguish if the information is not important. A group of *lor* and *tey'* are *vInpu';* the singular *vIn* is only used to refer to an individual in a group of *vInpu'.* A more distant uncle/aunt/niece/nephew relation is generally called a *yur.* A group of *yurpu' *might include some *lor* or *tey',* but you wouldn't use *yurpu'* if the group consisted /only/ of *lor* and *tey'.* *'e'nal* is someone married into the family whose relationship isn't specified. So to summarize: Your father's family uses the words *tennuS* and *'e'mam.* Your mother's family uses the words *'IrneH* and *me'.* *lor* are traced through opposite-sex siblings; *tey'* are traced through same-sex siblings. *vInpu'* are a group of *lor* and *tey'.* A *yur* is a more distant relation through siblings. An *'e'nal* married into the family but doesn't say to whom. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name