De'vID:
If your perception of the Klingon-speaking community is based on who's willing to participate in such discussions on this mailing list, your sample may be rather skewed
I know that it may seem that way, but during the past four years I've read every thread in the facebook learn klingon group too. Although there are people there, who by some are considered experts, I've never read a single reply by them which one could classify as "the reply of an expert". .. And if someone wonders "then why are you there?", the answer is because I want to read the replies of you and SuStel. Also, when I came to this list 6 years ago, people who by some are considered to be experts were active here, participating in threads. But reading these threads again, I can't find a single reason to accept any of them as true expert. And in the past, I've scrolled through discord without again finding any message of value. An expert is an expert because he knows things an ordinary person doesn't. An expert is an expert because he can explain things no other can. An expert is someone whose words when read, you think "so this is what's happening! I could never think of that on my own". And the only people whose posts make me think that way are your's and SuStel's. A ferrari is a ferrari because it has a number of characteristics no other car has. And some cars will never be a ferrari. That's the truth. It's not bad not having one, but it's ridiculous trying to convince others that your run-of-the-mill car is indeed a ferrari. Of course this is just my opinion, and everyone is free to believe whatever he wants to believe. But I refuse to accept as experts people who haven't demonstrated the slightest ability of an expert. Because, as we say in Greece "the teacher next to who you'll sit, will determine the things you'll learn"; meaning that the teacher you'll accept and trust will determine how good you'll become. If I took any of these people seriously, I wouldn't be able to even write "my name is.." in Klingon. t teHlaw'; 'a qaStaHvIS loS DIS vorgh, Hoch facebook learn klingon ghom QIn vIlaDpu' je. pa' 'op nuv tu'lu', 'ej chaHvaD po'wI' luDamlu', 'a jangmeH QInmeychaj vIlaDtaHvIS, not po'wI' mu'mey vItu'pu'. .. DaH SIvchoHchugh vay': < vaj qatlh pa' SoHtaH? > jIjang: < SoH SuStel je jangmeH QInmey vIlaD vIneHmo' > 'ej potlh latlh ngoD je; jav ben naDev vIpawpu', ngugh naDev chaHtaH 'op'e', jeS, 'ej 'opvamvaD po'wI' luDamlu'. pIj poHvam QIn tlheghmey vIlaDqa', 'a not nuvpu'vamvaD po'wI'na' vIDamchoHlaH. pa'logh, discord vIlaDpu', 'a not lo'laHbogh QIn vItu'pu'. nuv motlh Sov neH ghajlaH vay', po'wI' ghaHbe'bej. pagh'e' QIjlaHbogh vay' QIjlaHmo' vay', po'wI'na' ghaH nuvvam'e'. vay' mu'mey DalaDtaHvIS, bIQubchoHchugh < vaj QInvam 'oH QIjchu'ghach'e'! not nIteb QIjchu'ghach'e' 'otHa'pu'bogh nuvvam vIQublaHpu' > *nuvvam* ghaH po'wI'na''e'. 'ej yabwIjDaq mu'meyvam narghmoHlaH SoH SuStel je neH QInmey. 'op DI'on le'mo' ferrari 'oH ferrari'e', 'ej not ferrari moj 'op puH Duj. vItvam temlaH pagh. ferrari ghajbe'chugh vay', qabbe'. 'a ferrari 'oH puHDaj motlh'e' latlhpu'vaD 'e' ponmeH vay', nIDchugh, tagha' nuS'egh nuvvam. 'a vuDwIj neH vI'otHa', 'ej jaS HarlaH Hoch. 'a not po'wI'na' laH 'aghpu'chugh vay', vay'vamvaD po'wI' vIDamQo'. 'elaDya'Daq wa' vIttlhegh tu'lu': < ghojmoHwI' retlhDaq bIba'; tagha' Sov Dachavbogh perchu' ghojmoHwI'vam'e' > povchugh ghojmoHwI'vam, pov je tagha' ghojmoHwI'vammo' Sov Dachavpu'bogh. ngoDvam Del vIttleghvam. tlhIngan Hol vIlo'taHvIS, vabDot < .. 'oH pongwIj'e' > jIjatlhlaHbe'chu', Sarvam nuvpu' vIvoqpu'chugh. -- Dana'an https://sacredtextsinklingon.wordpress.com/ Ζεὺς ἦν, Ζεὺς ἐστίν, Ζεὺς ἔσσεται· ὦ μεγάλε Ζεῦ