qen Daq chu' vIDabchoHta'. ghojwI'pu' chaH juHwIj Deq yoS luDabbogh HochHom'e'. pa' pIj qaS lopmey, vaj pIj QoQ vIQoy. vI'Ijbe' 'ach vIQoy. QoQ vI'IjmeH, qoghDu'wIj qatbogh jan'e' vItuQ. loQ Hur wabmey nIS, vaj jIlpu'wI' QoQ vI'IjHa'meH vIlo'laH. ________________________________ From: tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org> on behalf of SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 4:28:16 PM To: tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] When we "listen to music" what do we use ? {'Ij} or {Qoy} ? Or both ? On 8/10/2017 10:17 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote: If we want to say that someone "is listening music", then what do we use ? {'Ij} or {Qoy} ? Or both ? I don't think we know this one either, but Okrand makes a distinction between the verbs in TKW: The verb Qoy means "hear," not just "listen." One must actually perceive and understand that which is being said. This doesn't tell whether one does Qoy or 'Ij to music, but it implies that one can 'Ij without actually Qoy-ing anything. 'Ij seems to be the active attempt to detect sound; Qoy is the passive fact that sound has been detected. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name