jatlh SuStel: And what is the difference between cutting one's hair and, say, cutting a rope? Cutting a banana? Cutting a presentation? Can you *chIp* a *much*? Sorlu'taHvIS, much chIplaHbe' vay' 'ej pe'laHbe'. much vanlaH vay' qoj ghanglaH. Sorry, but when Okrand says *hair,* he means *hair.* When Okrand says *percussion instrument,* he means *percussion instrument.* When you slap your knees rhythmically, your knees ARE a percussion instrument. When you trim the lawn, the lawn is NOT hair. If Okrand had meant "(e.g., hair)" he would have written "(e.g., hair)." At least until Maltz says otherwise. jIQochbe'. latlh DochvaD mu' chIp Dalo'chugh, bISorHa'. much qonlu'DI' 'a lablu'pa', chaq ngajmoH muchwI'qoq. -- mIp'av yergho bu''a' baHwI' IKAV chuch 'etlh My modeling blog: http://bellerophon-modeler.blogspot.com/ My other modeling blog: http://bellerophon.blog.com/