[tlhIngan Hol] perfective {-pu'} using/combining aspect with no aspect
SuStel
sustel at trimboli.name
Thu Apr 7 09:02:34 PDT 2022
On 4/7/2022 11:39 AM, mayqel qunen'oS wrote:
> wa'Hu' jIghungchoHDI', pItSa' vIvunpu'
>
> In the sentence above, wouldn't it be preferable if instead of
> {jIghungchoHDI'} we had {jIghungchoHpu'DI'}, since we report an event
> by looking back on it?
Only if you're reporting a completed act of becoming hungry. But that's
not necessarily the function of *jIghunchoHDI'* here. You might be
instead be talking about something happening /at the moment the change
to being hungry occurred./
It's the difference between "Earlier, I wasn't hungry, and then switched
to being hungry. Once this change was complete, I ordered pizza" (with
*-choHpu'*) and "Earlier I wasn't hungry, then I switched to being
hungry. As this change occurred, or just at the tail end of this change,
I ordered pizza" (with only *choH*).
Which one you use depends on which story you're telling. The version
with *-choHpu'* is probably about how, because you became hungry, you
ordered pizza, while the version with just *-choH* might be about how
your hunger and dinnertime happened to coincide. There might be other
reasons to choose one or the other.
> And returning to the question troubling me earlier, I still have this
> problem which drives me crazy:
>
> Regardless whether we write {wa'Hu' jIghungchoHDI', pItSa' vIvunpu'}
> or {wa'Hu' jIghungchoHpu'DI', pItSa' vIvunpu'}, can't this be
> understood as "I have (already) ordered the pizza, before I
> become/have become hungry"?
Saying *wa'Hu' jIXpu'* doesn't mean "as of yesterday I have already done
X." It means "yesterday, I performed a completed action X." "Completed"
doesn't mean action X was a fulfillment of a goal; it's just a way of
looking at action X from afar, without internal parts. If I say
/Yesterday I ate dinner,/ that doesn't imply that I ate everything on my
plate or that I stopped when I was no longer hungry; it's just a way to
describe the eating from a temporal remove, in its entirety without
internal detail.
--
SuStel
http://trimboli.name
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