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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/7/2022 11:39 AM, mayqel qunen'oS
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<div dir="auto">wa'Hu' jIghungchoHDI', pItSa' vIvunpu'</div>
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<div dir="auto">In the sentence above, wouldn't it be preferable
if instead of {jIghungchoHDI'} we had {jIghungchoHpu'DI'}, since
we report an event by looking back on it?</div>
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<p>Only if you're reporting a completed act of becoming hungry. But
that's not necessarily the function of <b>jIghunchoHDI'</b> here.
You might be instead be talking about something happening <i>at
the moment the change to being hungry occurred.</i></p>
<p>It's the difference between "Earlier, I wasn't hungry, and then
switched to being hungry. Once this change was complete, I ordered
pizza" (with <b>-choHpu'</b>) and "Earlier I wasn't hungry, then
I switched to being hungry. As this change occurred, or just at
the tail end of this change, I ordered pizza" (with only <b>choH</b>).</p>
<p>Which one you use depends on which story you're telling. The
version with <b>-choHpu'</b> is probably about how, because you
became hungry, you ordered pizza, while the version with just <b>-choH</b>
might be about how your hunger and dinnertime happened to
coincide. There might be other reasons to choose one or the other.<br>
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<div dir="auto">And returning to the question troubling me
earlier, I still have this problem which drives me crazy:</div>
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<div dir="auto">Regardless whether we write {wa'Hu'
jIghungchoHDI', pItSa' vIvunpu'} or {wa'Hu' jIghungchoHpu'DI',
pItSa' vIvunpu'}, can't this be understood as "I have (already)
ordered the pizza, before I become/have become hungry"?</div>
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<p>Saying <b>wa'Hu' jIXpu'</b> doesn't mean "as of yesterday I have
already done X." It means "yesterday, I performed a completed
action X." "Completed" doesn't mean action X was a fulfillment of
a goal; it's just a way of looking at action X from afar, without
internal parts. If I say <i>Yesterday I ate dinner,</i> that
doesn't imply that I ate everything on my plate or that I stopped
when I was no longer hungry; it's just a way to describe the
eating from a temporal remove, in its entirety without internal
detail.<br>
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