[tlhIngan Hol] Klingon Word of the Day: nIve'Da'

Brent Kesler brent.of.all.people at gmail.com
Mon Oct 19 07:02:44 PDT 2020

I don't know if this influenced MO, but in the Midwestern accent, final /t/
is often realized as a glottal stop. So {DItroy'} makes sense to me.


On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 4:26 PM Steven Boozer <sboozer at uchicago.edu> wrote:

> When I saw {DItroy’} I thought Okrand was attempting to render the French
> pronunciation – sort of! - or perhaps an odd mix of French and English.  Fort
> Pontchartrain du Détroit
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Pontchartrain_du_D%C3%A9troit> was
> originally a French fort founded in 1701.
> Or not wanting to add an extra vowel he could also have simply dropped the
> final consonant, such as {'entepray'} Enterprise, {lIHtentay’}
> Liechtenstein and {‘oSteray’} Österreich.  He routinely does this with
> Terran names ending in –land:  {DoyIchlan} Deutschland, {ne'Derlan}
> Netherlands, {'Inglan} England, {SIqotlan
> <http://www.klingonwiki.net/bin/view/Word/SIkotlan>} Scotland,
> {nu'SIylan} New Zealand and {‘ISlan} Iceland.
> __
> Voragh
> _________________________________________________________________
> *From:* nIqolay Q
> *Sent:* Monday, October 12, 2020
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 2:23 PM SuStel <sustel at trimboli.name> wrote:
> On 10/12/2020 2:04 PM, nIqolay Q wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 10:45 AM Steven Boozer <sboozer at uchicago.edu>
> wrote:
> Thanks for the source. I was perusing the qep'a' 2020 new words list over
> the weekend and discovered another one {DItroy'} Detroit.
> Interesting example of using a glottal stop to transliterate a "t" in a
> syllable that otherwise already ends in a consonant.
> The final *t* in *Detroit* is not aspirated the way a Klingon *t* always
> is. A glottal stop is actually closer in sound to the unaspirated *t.*
> Aspiration doesn't seem to play much of a role in transliterations. In the
> case of "Detroit", you can't just transliterate the final syllable as
> *-oyt*, because -*oyt* isn't an allowed syllable ending in Klingon
> phonotactics. Sometimes, Okrand deals with this (consonant after diphthong)
> by adding another syllable: "Deutsch" (in "Deutschland") -> **Doych* ->
> *DoyIch*. But in this case, since *'* is similar to "t", and *-oy'* is an
> allowed Klingon syllable ending, you can just do that.
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