[tlhIngan Hol] New Words and Grammar Points from qep'a' cha'maH javDIch

SuStel sustel at trimboli.name
Mon Jul 22 07:49:28 PDT 2019

On 7/22/2019 10:19 AM, nIqolay Q wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 10:15 AM SuStel <sustel at trimboli.name 
> <mailto:sustel at trimboli.name>> wrote:
>     On 7/22/2019 2:52 AM, qurgh lungqIj wrote:
>>     This is a summery of all the new information we gained. Most of
>>     it is also included on the new words list, but I compiled it all
>>     together for ease of reference.
>     *Hoy* is /be refined, be fancy, be sophisticated [pertaining to
>     culture]./ Does that bracketed note apply only to the final
>     synonym, /sophisticated,/ or the whole definition?
>     That is, does *Hoy* mean /be refined, fancy, not boorish/ or /be
>     refined in a cultural sense, fancy in a cultural sense,
>     sophisticated in a cultural sense/?
> I suspect the bracketed note applies to "sophisticated" to distinguish 
> it from the sense of "advanced" (as in "This engineering is quite 
> sophisticated").
> The original request on the KLI page (which I understand MO was 
> provided with) was "Having characteristics associated with the upper 
> class, possibly due to being particularly elaborate or due to 
> arbitrarily culturally valued attributes. 'We are dinner at a fancy 
> restaurant two nights ago.' 'Only a sufficiently sophisticated 
> individual will appreciate the performance.'"

Your first paragraph is the argument in favor of /be refined, fancy, not 
boorish,/ while your second paragraph is the argument in favor of 
restricting the verb entirely to a cultural sense.

For instance, could I say *'uSqan Hoy*/refined iron,/ or would that only 
refer to culturally fancy iron? Given the original request, I suspect 
not, but the written clarification on the new words page is poorly 


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