[tlhIngan Hol] Nouns in apposition

[Steven Boozer]

tlhIngan juHqo'Daq tlhIng yoSDaq 'oH toQDuj chenmoHlu'meH Daq wa'DIch'e'
1st Construction Site: The Kling District, Klingon Home World.  (KBoP)

“in the Kling District on the Klingon home world” = one place (i.e. a single shipyard)

loghDaq lupDujHom qoDDaq bIlengtaHvIS, nIbuQbogh novpu' DaSuv
Battle menacing aliens in a shuttlecraft journey through space.  (STX)

“inside a shuttlecraft in space” = one place (i.e. a single ship)

versus:

poSDaq nIHDaq je QamtaHvIS SuvwI'pu', chaH jojDaq yItnIS lopwI'
The initiate must pass through a gauntlet of warriors.  (S9)

“on the left (side) and on the right (side)” = two places (i.e. two separate rows of warriors)

--Voragh


From: SuStel

On 9/20/2017 9:02 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:

Suppose I write the sentence:
   {Qo'noSDaq SoSlI' juHDaq qajatlh, latlh be' vImuSHa'}
"At Qo'noS at your mother's house I told you, that I love another woman".

Do you agree with the above translation, or is it, that due to the absence of a {je} after the {juHDaq}, the meaning becomes "at your mother's house which is Qo'noS I told you, that I love another woman" ?

You could interpret it that way. I don't think the lack of a je makes the difference. It could also be interpreted as two separate locatives that both apply simultaneously, one being of a different scope than another.

In a cavern, in a canyon
Excavating for a mine
Dwelt a miner, forty-niner
And his daughter, Clementine.

In the verse, the locatives in a cavern and in a canyon are not in apposition to each other. The cavern is within the canyon. The subjects of the sentence both have appositional pairs: a miner = forty-niner and his daughter = Clementine.

In your Klingon sentence, it's possible that SoSlI' juH is within the scope of Qo'noS.

If the sentence did have a je, the meaning would be different:

Qo'noSDaq SoSlI' juHDaq je qajatlh
I speak to you on Kronos and in your mother's home

Here it's possible that you speak to me in both of those places, but not in a single utterance. One day you speak to me on Kronos; another day you speak to me in my mother's house.

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SuStel

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