[tlhIngan Hol] use of {'el} with {-moH}

mayqel qunenoS mihkoun at gmail.com
Mon Aug 21 08:00:06 PDT 2017

So, the following sentence which voragh wrote:

> pa'Daq mo’ DOG lu'elmoH
> in the room, they caused the dog to enter the cage

Is wrong, and should be {pa'Daq, dogvaD mo' lu'elmoH} ?


On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 5:55 PM, nIqolay Q <niqolay0 at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 9:43 AM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Is the {pa'Daq dog lu'elmoH} correct for "they caused the dog to enter the
>> room" ?
>> qunnoq
> Voragh already discussed the part about {-Daq} being unnecessary with {'el}.
> As for causatives with two objects, there are a few examples where the thing
> being caused to do something (in this case, the dog) is marked with {-vaD}.
> The thing being entered (or the object of the verb, generally speaking)
> doesn't change its role in the sentence. The pattern seems to be that if X
> causes Y to do (verb) to Z, the sentence is:
> Y-vaD Z verb-moH X.
> So the sentence you're looking for is {dogvaD pa' lu'elmoH}.
> One canon example is {ghaHvaD quHDaj qawmoH} from Skybox card 20.
> http://klingonska.org/canon/sbx-s19.html The English translation on the card
> doesn't quite match the Klingon, which means something like "It causes him
> [Worf] to remember his heritage", with {ghaH} marked with {-vaD}.
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