[tlhIngan Hol] new words qepHom 2016 (geography)

mayqel qunenoS mihkoun at gmail.com
Tue Nov 8 00:14:16 PST 2016

oh sorry, I just saw the "end quote". google had trimmed that part of your mail.


On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 9:50 AM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun at gmail.com> wrote:
> where does the quote end ? just before the "maltz told me" ?
> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 9:42 AM, Lieven <levinius at gmx.de> wrote:
>> Am 08.11.2016 um 02:44 schrieb André Müller:
>>> Odd. Marc had given us the word for Burma/Myanmar before, when he wrote
>>> birthday greetings on my Facebook wall, 2 years or so ago. Then he used
>>> the spelling {mIyanma} though.
>> That was the first thing that came to my mind, so I have already asked him.
>> Here is what he wrote: (archivists can note qepHom 2016 as the date and
>> source)
>> ---begin quote---
>> {mIyama} is correct.  I changed my mind.
>> "Myanmar" is partly a transliteration of the Burmese way of writing the
>> word, and partly a trick to get the right pronunciation in English.  The
>> final "r" is not there in Burmese writing.  The English version is based on
>> British pronunciation, and for many/most British dialects, the final "r" is
>> silent.  So the final syllable (spelled "mar"), pronounced as it would be in
>> British English, is /ma/, not /mar/.  (Without the "r", many British
>> speakers would pronounce the syllable so the vowel was the vowel in "cat,"
>> not the /a/ in "father.") Americans follow the spelling and pronounce this
>> final "r" when saying "Myanmar."  The "n" is really there in Burmese writing
>> (which is why it's in "Myanmar"), but it's pronounced as nasalization of the
>> preceding vowel (in this case, /a/).  So it's something like /myãma/ (where
>> /ã/ represents a nasalized /a/).
>> For "France," pronounced in French, the "n" also indicates nasalization —
>> it's not pronounced as an individual sound — so, for Klingon, I just skipped
>> it: vIraS (not vIranIs or something like that). I followed the same line of
>> thinking for mIyama (rather than mIyanma).
>> In what I wrote to André, I was referring to the language of Burma/Myanmar.
>> "Burma" in Burmese is pronounced something like /bama/, so that would make
>> bama Hol.  But you can also say "Myanmar language," so that would be (in my
>> revised thinking), mIyama Hol.
>> Maltz told me he'd defer to André if I'm wrong about any of this.
>> ---end quote---
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>> Lieven L. Litaer
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