[tlhIngan Hol] Hochpu'

[mayqel qunenoS]

voragh :
> {Hoch} "everyone, all (of)" is already intrinsically plural (but grammatically singular).

this means that the {Hoch} is inherently plural, but it is used as
being singular ?

On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 10:46 AM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun at gmail.com> wrote:
> voragh and SuStel, thank you for replying ;
>
> I wanted to find a way, in order to use {Hoch} on its own, without a
> noun needing to be "directly next to it or directly before it".
>
> I hadn't thought that it can be used on its own, without a suffix
> being attached to it, and for this reason I -erroneously- assumed that
> the only way to achieve that, was by adding the plural suffix {-pu'}.
>
> Luckily, after reading all those canon sentences (thank you Ca'non
> master !), I realized how one can use the {Hoch}/{HochHom} on its own.
>
> But, reading these canon sentences, I must comment the following :
>
>> quv vuv nuv pagh ghajbogh neH
>> Honor is for those with nothing to lose! PB
>
> I can't understand why the translation is given this way ; I'm only
> reading "people respect honor merely possess nothing"
>
>> tlheDDI' quvmoHmeH veng HeHDaq lutlha' SaD law' nuvpu'
>> Thousands followed him to the edge of the city, to bid him farewell. PB
>
> Shouldn't the {quvmoHmeH} have the verb prefix {lu-} ? As I understand
> the translation of the klingon sentence, it goes "thousands of people
> followed him to the edge of the city, in order to honor him (THEY
> honor HIM), when/as soon as he would depart/departed.
>
> mop Hurgh
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 9:23 PM, Steven Boozer <sboozer at uchicago.edu> wrote:
>> mayqel qunenoS :
>>> Can we use the {Hoch} "on its own", in a similar way?
>>> Would you accept the following?
>>>
>>>   Ha'DIbaHvetlh luje'laH Hochpu'
>>>   all people are able to feed that animal
>>>
>>>   Ha'DIbaHvetlh luje'laH HochHompu'
>>>   almost all the people are able to feed that animal
>>
>> How would these be different in meaning from:
>>
>>   Ha'DIbaHvetlh je'laH Hoch
>>   Ha'DIbaHvetlh je'laH HochHom
>>
>> In a pinch you could use {nuv} or {ghot} "person (humanoid)":
>>
>>   Ha'DIbaHvetlh luje'laH Hoch nuvpu'
>>   All of the people are able to feed that animal.
>>
>>   Ha'DIbaHvetlh luje'laH HochHom ghotpu'
>>   Most of the people are able to feed that animal.
>>
>> And before you ask, we don't know the difference between the two.  Both forms have been used:
>>
>>   butlh ghajbogh nuv'e' yIHo'
>>   Admire the person with dirt under his fingernails. TKW
>>
>>   ngIq nuv luHoH
>>   they killed the warriors one by one. ('U'-OPERA)
>>
>>   nuv 'umHa' leghchugh veqlargh ngoS nuv 'umHa'
>>   Those unfit disintegrate at the glance of Fek'lhr PB
>>
>>   quv vuv nuv pagh ghajbogh neH
>>   Honor is for those with nothing to lose! PB
>>
>>   ngIq tonSaw' lo' SaD law' San chenmoH qeylIS wej boghbogh
>>    nuvpu' San chenmoH
>>   In one single move, Kahless decided the fate of thousands,
>>    and those to come. PB
>>
>>   tlheDDI' quvmoHmeH veng HeHDaq lutlha' SaD law' nuvpu'
>>   Thousands followed him to the edge of the city, to bid
>>    him farewell. PB
>>
>>   jatlh 'e' mevDI' nuvpu' mejmoH ghaH ratlh be'nalDaj
>>    luqara' neH.
>>   After his last words, all were sent away, but his wife
>>    Lukara. PB
>>
>> vs.
>>
>>   reH tay' ghot tuqDaj je
>>   One is always of his tribe.
>>   ("A person and his house are always together"). TKW
>>
>>   ghotvam Ho'lu'. 'ej muSlu'.
>>   A man to admire... and hate. (ST5 notes)
>>
>>   ghotpu' tamey
>>   Personnel Files STC
>>
>>   wey jolpat: wa' (jav ghotpu')
>>   Personnel Transporter - 1 (6 Man) KBoP
>>
>>   vaj ruS cher 'Iw rap cha' ghot HoS rap cha' ghot vuD
>>    chen yIn ruS
>>   So the bond was sealed in blood of two equal in body
>>    and thought, the bond of life. PB
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Voragh
>> tlhIngan ghantoH pIn'a'
>> Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
>>
>>
>>
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