[tlhIngan Hol] Hochpu'

[mayqel qunenoS]

voragh and SuStel, thank you for replying ;

I wanted to find a way, in order to use {Hoch} on its own, without a
noun needing to be "directly next to it or directly before it".

I hadn't thought that it can be used on its own, without a suffix
being attached to it, and for this reason I -erroneously- assumed that
the only way to achieve that, was by adding the plural suffix {-pu'}.

Luckily, after reading all those canon sentences (thank you Ca'non
master !), I realized how one can use the {Hoch}/{HochHom} on its own.

But, reading these canon sentences, I must comment the following :

> quv vuv nuv pagh ghajbogh neH
> Honor is for those with nothing to lose! PB

I can't understand why the translation is given this way ; I'm only
reading "people respect honor merely possess nothing"

> tlheDDI' quvmoHmeH veng HeHDaq lutlha' SaD law' nuvpu'
> Thousands followed him to the edge of the city, to bid him farewell. PB

Shouldn't the {quvmoHmeH} have the verb prefix {lu-} ? As I understand
the translation of the klingon sentence, it goes "thousands of people
followed him to the edge of the city, in order to honor him (THEY
honor HIM), when/as soon as he would depart/departed.

mop Hurgh


On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 9:23 PM, Steven Boozer <sboozer at uchicago.edu> wrote:
> mayqel qunenoS :
>> Can we use the {Hoch} "on its own", in a similar way?
>> Would you accept the following?
>>
>>   Ha'DIbaHvetlh luje'laH Hochpu'
>>   all people are able to feed that animal
>>
>>   Ha'DIbaHvetlh luje'laH HochHompu'
>>   almost all the people are able to feed that animal
>
> How would these be different in meaning from:
>
>   Ha'DIbaHvetlh je'laH Hoch
>   Ha'DIbaHvetlh je'laH HochHom
>
> In a pinch you could use {nuv} or {ghot} "person (humanoid)":
>
>   Ha'DIbaHvetlh luje'laH Hoch nuvpu'
>   All of the people are able to feed that animal.
>
>   Ha'DIbaHvetlh luje'laH HochHom ghotpu'
>   Most of the people are able to feed that animal.
>
> And before you ask, we don't know the difference between the two.  Both forms have been used:
>
>   butlh ghajbogh nuv'e' yIHo'
>   Admire the person with dirt under his fingernails. TKW
>
>   ngIq nuv luHoH
>   they killed the warriors one by one. ('U'-OPERA)
>
>   nuv 'umHa' leghchugh veqlargh ngoS nuv 'umHa'
>   Those unfit disintegrate at the glance of Fek'lhr PB
>
>   quv vuv nuv pagh ghajbogh neH
>   Honor is for those with nothing to lose! PB
>
>   ngIq tonSaw' lo' SaD law' San chenmoH qeylIS wej boghbogh
>    nuvpu' San chenmoH
>   In one single move, Kahless decided the fate of thousands,
>    and those to come. PB
>
>   tlheDDI' quvmoHmeH veng HeHDaq lutlha' SaD law' nuvpu'
>   Thousands followed him to the edge of the city, to bid
>    him farewell. PB
>
>   jatlh 'e' mevDI' nuvpu' mejmoH ghaH ratlh be'nalDaj
>    luqara' neH.
>   After his last words, all were sent away, but his wife
>    Lukara. PB
>
> vs.
>
>   reH tay' ghot tuqDaj je
>   One is always of his tribe.
>   ("A person and his house are always together"). TKW
>
>   ghotvam Ho'lu'. 'ej muSlu'.
>   A man to admire... and hate. (ST5 notes)
>
>   ghotpu' tamey
>   Personnel Files STC
>
>   wey jolpat: wa' (jav ghotpu')
>   Personnel Transporter - 1 (6 Man) KBoP
>
>   vaj ruS cher 'Iw rap cha' ghot HoS rap cha' ghot vuD
>    chen yIn ruS
>   So the bond was sealed in blood of two equal in body
>    and thought, the bond of life. PB
>
>
>
> --
> Voragh
> tlhIngan ghantoH pIn'a'
> Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
>
>
>
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