[tlhIngan-Hol] A question on {ngIq}

[mayqel qunenoS]

Thank you voragh for replying ; comments follow :

> ngIq nuv luHoH
> they killed the warriors one by one.

This sentence is a perfect example to describe my confusion on {ngIq}
; I can't understand why the translation is given as "they killed the
warriors one by one", and not as "they killed a single warrior".

> ngIq tonSaw' lo' 'ej tIqDu' lel
> ngIq tonSaw' lo' 'ej quvqa'
> ngIq tonSaw' lo' 'ej rIn may'
> In one single move, he removed the hearts,
> In one single move, he restored his honor,
> In one single move, the battle was done.

Here I understand the "one single move" translation, over the "one by
one", because the latter makes no sense.

> ngIq tonSaw' lo' SaD law' San chenmoH qeylIS wej
> boghbogh nuvpu' San chenmoH
> In one single move, Kahless decided the fate of
> thousands, and those to come.

Same here too.

> nIteb chegh molor ngIq ghoqwI'
> One by one Molor's scouts return

Why "one by one" and not "a single scout of Molor returned alone" ?

> ngIq raQ - 150 QaS
> outposts cost 150 [forces] each

Why {ngIq raQ}, and not {Hoch raQ} ? Why the {ngIq raQ} is given as
"each outpost" instead of "a single outpost" ?

> ngIq raQ - 200 QaS, mon - 200 QaS loS raQmey je
> Outposts cost 200 [forces] each; capitals, 200 [forces]
> each plus 4 outposts.

Same here too.

> ngIq raQvaD cha'maH vagh QaS yInob
> For each outpost pay 25 forces.

Same here too ; why "for each outpost", and not "for a single outpost" ?

> ngIq gholvaD vaghmaH QaS yInob
> Pay each player 50 forces.

Same comments too.

> ngIq gholvo' wa'maH QaS yItlhap
> Collect 10 forces from every player.

..and again the same.

Now, ok ; I can leave with the fact that in the given translations
"each" and "single", seemingly are used in a random and apparently
interchangeable way.

But I really do have a problem - a major problem - with the sentences :

> nIteb chegh molor ngIq ghoqwI'
> One by one Molor's scouts return.
> ngIq nuv luHoH
> they killed the warriors one by one.

Is there a rule here I'm missing ? Why, why, why "one by one" and not
"a single one" ?

And to repeat my original question :

If I wanted to write :

"We destroyed his birds of prey one by one", then what should I write ?

ngIq toQDujmeyDaj DIQaw'ta' ?
or
ngIq toQDujmeyDaj wIQaw'ta' ?

or maybe something else ?

mayqel qunnoQ

On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 4:51 PM, Steven Boozer <sboozer at uchicago.edu> wrote:
> To get the discussion started, here are the examples I know of:
>
> ngIq nuv luHoH
> they killed the warriors one by one. ('U'-OPERA)
>
> ngIq tonSaw' lo' 'ej tIqDu' lel
>   ngIq tonSaw' lo' 'ej quvqa'
>   ngIq tonSaw' lo' 'ej rIn may'
> In one single move, he removed the hearts,
>   In one single move, he restored his honor,
>   In one single move, the battle was done. PB
>
> ngIq tonSaw' lo' SaD law' San chenmoH qeylIS wej
>  boghbogh nuvpu' San chenmoH
> In one single move, Kahless decided the fate of
>  thousands, and those to come.  PB
>
> nIteb chegh molor ngIq ghoqwI'
> One by one Molor's scouts return PB
>
> ngIq raQ - 150 QaS
> outposts cost 150 [forces] each MKE (= Monopoly)
>
> ngIq raQ - 200 QaS, mon - 200 QaS loS raQmey je
> Outposts cost 200 [forces] each; capitals, 200 [forces]
>  each plus 4 outposts. MKE
>
> ngIq raQvaD cha'maH vagh QaS yInob
> For each outpost pay 25 forces. MKE
>
> ngIq gholvaD vaghmaH QaS yInob
> Pay each player 50 forces. MKE
>
> ngIq gholvo' wa'maH QaS yItlhap
> Collect 10 forces from every player. MKE
>
>
> --
> Voragh
> tlhIngan ghantoH pIn'a'
> Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
>
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tlhIngan-Hol [mailto:tlhingan-hol-bounces at lists.kli.org] On Behalf
>> Of mayqel qunenoS
>> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 7:45 AM
>>
>> Recently I run into the spatial anomaly of {ngIq} ; so, I am sending this
>> distress call, in order to overcome this difficulty. Any help from
>> warbirds nearby, will be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> First of all let me write the definition :
>>
>> {ngIq} a single one, each one
>>
>> According to qep'a' 2011 : This noun indicates that (1) a single thing is
>> being considered apart from others, or (2) that a sequence of identical
>> things is considered one after another.
>>
>> My question is this :
>>
>> How do we actually use the {ngIq}, in order to achieve the (1), or (2)
>> meaning ?
>>
>> For example in {Hoch}, we have various possibilities, depending on whether
>> the noun which follows is singular or plural. But what's the case with
>> {ngIq} ?
>>
>> If I write :
>>
>> ngIq mu'tlhegh vIghItlhta'.
>> this means "I wrote a single sentence" right ?
>>
>> but if I wanted to write :
>>
>> "We destroyed his birds of prey one by one", then what would I do ?
>>
>> perhaps :
>>
>> ngIq toQDujmeyDaj DIQaw'ta' ?
>> or
>> ngIq toQDujmeyDaj wIQaw'ta' ?
>>
>> or maybe something else ?
>>
>> Can someone shed some light on this ?
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> qunnoq HoD
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