[tlhIngan Hol] Who shall call them from the twilight ?

[mayqel qunenoS]

SuStel:
> 'Ip lulay'bogh HevwI' tuqnIgh
> house member of the receiver of the oath
> which they swore.

thank you for explaining this ! I just learned something new, something I
hadn't realized so far !

we have the {'Ip lulay'bogh} "the oath which they swore". and then we have
the {HevwI' tuqnIgh}. So, we put them together, forming a noun-noun
construction thus getting "house member of the receiver of the oath which
they swore". this is beautiful !

I hadn't realized that we could take a noun, entangle it with {-bogh} and
use it in a noun-noun construction.

jIQuch !

however, a new question just appeared in my mind, so let me ask you..

instead of the {'Ip lulay'bogh HevwI' tuqnIgh}, could we write {'Ip'e'
lulay'bogh HevwI' tuqnIgh}, or would this be considered a violation of the
rule that "in noun-noun constructions only the last noun can take type-5
suffixes" ?

qunnoH jan puqloD
ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'

On 14 Dec 2016 4:23 pm, "SuStel" <sustel at trimboli.name> wrote:

> On 12/14/2016 8:35 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
>
> SuStel:
> > chay' Mordor HIv bot puSqu'wI'?»
>
> the {puSqu'wI'} means "very few people" ?
>
>
> Yes. It could mean very few of anything, but the intended implication,
> which you took, is people.
>
>
> and something must be happening with {HIv} and {bot}. "how very few people
> will prevent attack mordor" ?
>
>
> Hmm. It seems that *HIv* as a noun doesn't appear in the new words list.
> It should: in *Star Trek V,* Captain Klaa says *HIv He yIchoHmoH*, which
> is subtitled *Alter the attack course!*
>
>
> SuStel:
> > 'Ip lulay'bogh HevwI' tuqnIgh.
>
> I can't translate this; all I get is "the member(s) of the house of the
> receiver(s) who swore the oath". Or "the oath which was sworn by the
> member(s) of the house of the receiver(s).
>
>
> An attempt to avoid this "ship in which I fled" problem, in this case "the
> heir of him to whom the oath they swore." The best I could come up with was
> "house member of the receiver of the oath which they swore." I should have
> put a *-pu'* on *lay'.* If you can think of a more obvious translation,
> let me know. I claim the excuse of translating while at work.
>
>
> SuStel:
> > Sauron luquvmoHmo' qaStaHvIS DISmey
> > lunaDHa'lu'bogh
>
> this confuses me too.. "because they honored Sauron while the years which
> someone discommended them were happening" ?
>
>
> I didn't want to translate *Dark Years* literally, as there was plenty of
> sunlight at the time. The Dark Years
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Years> were the period of the Second
> Age wherein lesser men worshiped Sauron and he held dominion over most of
> Middle-earth, before the coming of the Númenóreans in Exile. These were
> also called the Accursed Years, and I looked in a thesaurus for inspiration
> on how to translate this. I noticed *condemned* and *bedeviled,* and
> somehow that led me to *naDHa'.* I can't defend this. I probably could
> have gone with something bland, like *DIS lumuSlu'bogh* or, even worse, *DIS
> mIgh.*
>
> Anyway, by that time I had to go to the bathroom and it was nearly time to
> go home. I was rushing.
>
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>
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