<p dir="ltr">SuStel:<br>
> 'Ip lulay'bogh HevwI' tuqnIgh<br>
> house member of the receiver of the oath<br>
> which they swore.</p>
<p dir="ltr">thank you for explaining this ! I just learned something new, something I hadn't realized so far !</p>
<p dir="ltr">we have the {'Ip lulay'bogh} "the oath which they swore". and then we have the {HevwI' tuqnIgh}. So, we put them together, forming a noun-noun construction thus getting "house member of the receiver of the oath which they swore". this is beautiful !</p>
<p dir="ltr">I hadn't realized that we could take a noun, entangle it with {-bogh} and use it in a noun-noun construction.</p>
<p dir="ltr">jIQuch !</p>
<p dir="ltr">however, a new question just appeared in my mind, so let me ask you..</p>
<p dir="ltr">instead of the {'Ip lulay'bogh HevwI' tuqnIgh}, could we write {'Ip'e' lulay'bogh HevwI' tuqnIgh}, or would this be considered a violation of the rule that "in noun-noun constructions only the last noun can take type-5 suffixes" ?</p>
<p dir="ltr">qunnoH jan puqloD<br>
ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'</p>
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<p dir="ltr">SuStel:<br>
> chay' Mordor HIv bot puSqu'wI'?»</p>
<p dir="ltr">the {puSqu'wI'} means "very few people" ?</p>
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<p>Yes. It could mean very few of anything, but the intended
implication, which you took, is people.<br>
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<p dir="ltr"> and something must be happening with {HIv} and
{bot}. "how very few people will prevent attack mordor" ?</p>
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<p>Hmm. It seems that <b>HIv</b> as a noun doesn't appear in the
new words list. It should: in <i>Star Trek V,</i> Captain Klaa
says <b>HIv He yIchoHmoH</b>, which is subtitled <i>Alter the
attack course!</i><br>
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<p dir="ltr">SuStel:<br>
> 'Ip lulay'bogh HevwI' tuqnIgh.</p>
<p dir="ltr">I can't translate this; all I get is "the member(s)
of the house of the receiver(s) who swore the oath". Or "the
oath which was sworn by the member(s) of the house of the
receiver(s).</p>
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<p>An attempt to avoid this "ship in which I fled" problem, in this
case "the heir of him to whom the oath they swore." The best I
could come up with was "house member of the receiver of the oath
which they swore." I should have put a <b>-pu'</b> on <b>lay'.</b>
If you can think of a more obvious translation, let me know. I
claim the excuse of translating while at work.<br>
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<p dir="ltr">SuStel:<br>
> Sauron luquvmoHmo' qaStaHvIS DISmey<br>
> lunaDHa'lu'bogh</p>
<p dir="ltr">this confuses me too.. "because they honored Sauron
while the years which someone discommended them were happening"
?</p>
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<p>I didn't want to translate <i>Dark Years</i> literally, as there
was plenty of sunlight at the time. The <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Years" target="_blank">Dark Years</a>
were the period of the Second Age wherein lesser men worshiped
Sauron and he held dominion over most of Middle-earth, before the
coming of the Númenóreans in Exile. These were also called the
Accursed Years, and I looked in a thesaurus for inspiration on how
to translate this. I noticed <i>condemned</i> and <i>bedeviled,</i>
and somehow that led me to <b>naDHa'.</b> I can't defend this. I
probably could have gone with something bland, like <b>DIS
lumuSlu'bogh</b> or, even worse, <b>DIS mIgh.</b></p>
<p>Anyway, by that time I had to go to the bathroom and it was
nearly time to go home. I was rushing.<br>
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