SuStel:  

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muchwI'pu', mI'wI'pu', bomwI'pu' je much 'oH *flamenco*'e'. mIw yItlh pabbe'bogh meHghem nong'e' 'oH. Stylistic note: why not say nong meHghem 'ej mIw yItlh pabbe'? Klingon is always better when you use basic sentences instead of copulas. If you find you're using copulas with noun phrases that include verb modifiers or relative clauses, you're probably thinking in English, or at least translating too literally.

Thank you! Actually, I wasn't very sure about that sentence, I was in fact thinking in Spanish. Anyway, in Spanish (or English) there is a difference, let's say of *stress*, between *It's a passionate art which doesn't follow any set rules* and *this art is passionate and doesn't follow any set rules*. I understand what you say about using basic sentences in Klingon. I just wanted to know if there is another way to take account of this slight difference.  

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Dujmey 'agh, le'yo' 'agh. Do you mean Duj instincts here? Don't put -mey on it; it's already plural. Dujmey probably means only ships.

Yes, I mean *instincts*. Sorry, I misread the entry in *boQwI'*.

So far as we can tell from canon, adverbials, non-pronomial question words, and syntactic noun phrases appear to all go in the space between time expressions and the object. Separate types of word do not appear to have any set order in that space. In my opinion, adverbials have a tendency to come before syntactic noun phrases, and non-pronomial question words have a tendency to come before adverbials, but that's only a hunch of a tendency, not a rule.

So, if I understand you, you mean something like this?: time expressions - [non-pronominal question words / adverbials / syntactic noun phrases] - O - V - S Square brackets meaning *the order in between is a tendency, not a rule*. So: *DaHjaj qatlh nom Qe'Daq pItSa' chab DaSoppu'?* (it's of course an artificial example, but I just want to know if I get it right). I've always thought non-pronominal question words were always first!

If you want to separate nouns to have the same relative clause, you need to repeat the relative clause and/or conjoin the nouns. So far as I can tell, meq motlh luSovlu'bogh ngeDbogh qechmey Daj je means known usual reasons and interesting ideas that are easy.

I was trying to say something like: *normal topics that one knows (i.e., are familiar to the speaker, the speaker knows well) and interesting ideas that are easy*. But my question was actually if I should use *je* here (in contrast to *ngeDbogh meq motlh 'ej Dajbogh*). Thank you again!

SuStel:

I think the difference is in putting the adjective before the noun. Fronting things tends to give them more emphasis or importance. In Klingon, since verbs take over the role of adjectives, and since verbs come before nouns in sentences, the verbs are already fronted. Even as a matter of this kind of fronting emphasis, basic sentences are preferable in Klingon (nong meHghem instead of meHghem nong 'oH).

Since in Spanish most adjectives come after the noun, I was actually thinking on the effect the relative clause has compared to an adjective. For me, *It's a passionate art which doesn't follow any set rules* is a sentence defining flamenco as a passionate art, and then adding some information about the sort of *passionate art* flamenco is. The emphasis goes on "passionate art". *This art is passionate and doesn't follow any set rules* is for me a sentence describing the art of flamenco with two qualities, passionate and not following any set rules. The emphasis goes equally on both qualities. I don't know if that reflects somehow in Klingon. Or maybe I'm just messing it up.

Yes, that's right. The tendency thing is just my hunch about it, not something that people have agreed upon.

Noted! Since it's only a tendency, my first sentence (*DoyIchlanDaq tagha' loQ QaQ muD Dotlh*) was anyway right, I suppose. Is it also possible to separate both adverbials, e.g., *tagha' DoyIchlanDaq loQ QaQ muD Dotlh*?

Another possibility, just to confuse you: motlhbogh meqmey 'ej luSovlu'bogh, ngeDbogh qechmey je 'ej Dajbogh topics that are usual and known, and ideas that are easy and interesting

It actually *clarifies* what I was asking :-) Thank you!

The noun conjunction je joining meymey and qechmey follows the final noun. But honestly, if you're trying to string together something this long, it's probably better to think about how to break it into multiple sentences.

It was only an example to illustrate my question, but as I said before, I will try to think more in Klingon and get used to shorter sentences!