{wa' latlh jaj} or {latlh wa' jaj} ? If I think in greek/english I would say that the correct choice is the former, but if I think in klingon I would say that the correct choice is the latter. Since I'm not certain though, can someone shed some light on this matter ? mayqel qun'noS
Do you want to talk about one “other day”, or about another “one day”? Give us a complete thought to consider, not just an isolated phrase. Without more context, I don’t know why you wouldn’t just say {latlh jaj}. -- ghunchu'wI'
On Oct 9, 2017, at 2:46 PM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
{wa' latlh jaj} or {latlh wa' jaj} ?
If I think in greek/english I would say that the correct choice is the former, but if I think in klingon I would say that the correct choice is the latter.
Since I'm not certain though, can someone shed some light on this matter ?
mayqel qun'noS
I was thinking of the phrase: {one more day SIQlaHchugh vaj Quch} if he was able to endure one more day, he would be happy mayqel q On Oct 9, 2017 21:53, "ghunchu'wI' 'utlh" <qunchuy@alcaco.net> wrote:
Do you want to talk about one “other day”, or about another “one day”? Give us a complete thought to consider, not just an isolated phrase.
Without more context, I don’t know why you wouldn’t just say {latlh jaj}.
-- ghunchu'wI'
On Oct 9, 2017, at 2:46 PM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
{wa' latlh jaj} or {latlh wa' jaj} ?
If I think in greek/english I would say that the correct choice is the former, but if I think in klingon I would say that the correct choice is the latter.
Since I'm not certain though, can someone shed some light on this matter ?
mayqel qun'noS
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AFAIK latlh has never been used with a number although it can refer to a plural noun, with or without an expressed plural suffix. E.g. : latlh? And the others? [i.e. "The rest?"] (ST5) latlh SuvwI'pu' Dara'bogh DaSuq. (MKE) Heghtay lulop latlh tlhInganpu'. (S31) beyHom bey bey'a' jachtaH latlh tlhInganpu'. (S31) latlh SuvwI'pu' Dara'bogh DaSuq. (MKE) Heghpu'bogh latlhpu' ghuHmoH bey. (S31) DaSwIj bIngDaq latlhpu' vItap. (STConst p.232) latlhpu' law' pIlmoHpu' lutvam (PB) Why is the number one important? Since the default meaning of latlh is additional one, other one, another one, it seems to me that one can be safely be omitted. A better questions would be: How do you say two/three/four (etc.) more days? --Voragh From: mayqel qunenoS I was thinking of the phrase: {one more day SIQlaHchugh vaj Quch} if he was able to endure one more day, he would be happy On Oct 9, 2017 21:53, "ghunchu'wI' 'utlh" wrote: Do you want to talk about one “other day”, or about another “one day”? Give us a complete thought to consider, not just an isolated phrase. Without more context, I don’t know why you wouldn’t just say {latlh jaj}.
On Oct 9, 2017, at 2:46 PM, mayqel qunenoS wrote: {wa' latlh jaj} or {latlh wa' jaj} ?
If I think in greek/english I would say that the correct choice is the former, but if I think in klingon I would say that the correct choice is the latter. Since I'm not certain though, can someone shed some light on this matter ?
On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 3:29 PM, Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu> wrote:
Why is the number *one* important? Since the default meaning of *latlh *is *additional one, other one, another one*, it seems to me that *one* can be safely be omitted. A better questions would be: How do you say *two/three/four* (etc.)* more days*?
I feel like *loS latlh jaj* or *latlh loS jaj* are both fine options, I don't really feel like there's a significant distinction in meaning. Until Okrand gives some direction that Klingons tend to prefer one phrasing over another, or that one phrasing is out-and-out wrong, I think it's fine to just leave it up to personal choice for now. Are there many instances of a number used with one member of a N-N construction that could help here?
latlh? And the others? [i.e. "The rest?"] (ST5)
This is a good example of a question mark next to a noun, (something which had been discussed here some time ago).
beyHom bey bey'a' jachtaH latlh tlhInganpu'. (S31)
Is this an example of nouns in apposition ? Because if it is, according to what had been discussed here some time ago, then {beyHom} {bey} {bey'a'} should all be the same (one with the other). But obviously they aren't. voragh:
Why is the number one important? Since the default meaning of latlh is additional one, other one, another one, it seems to me that one can be safely be omitted.
The problem is, that in contrast to what is happening with the {Hoch}, where {Hoch jaj} necessarily means "each day", there is no similar rule with regards to the {latlh}. So, if we had {latlh jaj vISIQlaH}, then someone could understand this to be either "one more day he is able to endure", or "additional days he is able to endure". mayqel qun'noS On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 11:00 PM, nIqolay Q <niqolay0@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 3:29 PM, Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu> wrote:
Why is the number one important? Since the default meaning of latlh is additional one, other one, another one, it seems to me that one can be safely be omitted. A better questions would be: How do you say two/three/four (etc.) more days?
I feel like loS latlh jaj or latlh loS jaj are both fine options, I don't really feel like there's a significant distinction in meaning. Until Okrand gives some direction that Klingons tend to prefer one phrasing over another, or that one phrasing is out-and-out wrong, I think it's fine to just leave it up to personal choice for now. Are there many instances of a number used with one member of a N-N construction that could help here?
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On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 1:19 AM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
beyHom bey bey'a' jachtaH latlh tlhInganpu'. (S31)
Is this an example of nouns in apposition ? Because if it is, according to what had been discussed here some time ago, then {beyHom} {bey} {bey'a'} should all be the same (one with the other). But obviously they aren't.
Nobody is sure what the heck is going on in that sentence. For now, it's best to think of it as some idiomatic set phrase that shouldn't be generalized from.
I know what is going on in that sentence. A crescendo. I understood it the first time I saw it. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name From: nIqolay Q Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 1:45 AM To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] One more day On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 1:19 AM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
beyHom bey bey'a' jachtaH latlh tlhInganpu'. (S31)
Is this an example of nouns in apposition ? Because if it is, according to what had been discussed here some time ago, then {beyHom} {bey} {bey'a'} should all be the same (one with the other). But obviously they aren't. Nobody is sure what the heck is going on in that sentence. For now, it's best to think of it as some idiomatic set phrase that shouldn't be generalized from.
I know what is going on in that sentence. A crescendo. I understood it the first time I saw it. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name From: nIqolay Q Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 1:45 AM To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] One more day On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 1:19 AM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
beyHom bey bey'a' jachtaH latlh tlhInganpu'. (S31)
Is this an example of nouns in apposition ? Because if it is, according to what had been discussed here some time ago, then {beyHom} {bey} {bey'a'} should all be the same (one with the other). But obviously they aren't. Nobody is sure what the heck is going on in that sentence. For now, it's best to think of it as some idiomatic set phrase that shouldn't be generalized from.
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