Hello! I'm not sure about using the verb {Dam}. From the few examples we have, I am not sure which is the object of the verb. Is it the thing I assume your are? Or does it focus on you? How would I say "I think you are a warrior"? {SoHvaD 'urwI' vIDam} or {SoHvaD 'urwI' qaDam} ? Wjhat is the object of the verb {Dam}? -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.tlhInganHol.com http://klingon.wiki/En/AliceInWonderland
On Sat, Jan 20, 2024 at 10:07 PM Lieven L. Litaer via tlhIngan-Hol < tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org> wrote:
Hello! I'm not sure about using the verb {Dam}. From the few examples we have, I am not sure which is the object of the verb. Is it the thing I assume your are? Or does it focus on you?
How would I say "I think you are a warrior"?
I don't think that's the question you intend to ask. "I think you are a warrior" is rather different from "I treat you as a warrior". The former has nothing to do with {Dam}, whereas the latter does. Also, did you mean {SuvwI'} rather than {'urwI'}? It's dangerous to say the latter when you mean the former. {SoHvaD 'urwI' vIDam} or {SoHvaD 'urwI' qaDam} ?
{SoHvaD SuvwI' vIDam} is correct. We have the canon example of {HumanvaD 'urwI' wIDam}. {SuvwI' qaDam} should also work, using the prefix trick applied to the above. Another possibility is {SuvwI' SoH 'e' vIDam}, based on the canon example {'urwI' ghaH 'e' vIDam}.
Wjhat is the object of the verb {Dam}?
The thing that the subject is treating as being applicable or as though it were true. {SoHvaD SuvwI' vIDam} "I consider (treat somebody like) a warrior; you the the beneficiary of my doing so" > "I treat you as a warrior" {SuvwI' SoH 'e' vIDam} "I view the statement to be applicable or true, that you are a warrior" > "I consider you to be a warrior" -- De'vID
Thanks De'vID, for explaining that to me. And you're right, I mixed up a few things. It was late, sorry. Am 20.01.2024 um 22:35 schrieb De'vID:
has nothing to do with {Dam}, whereas the latter does. Also, did you mean {SuvwI'} rather than {'urwI'}? It's dangerous to say the latter when you mean the former.
{SoHvaD 'urwI' vIDam} or {SoHvaD 'urwI' qaDam} ?
{SoHvaD SuvwI' vIDam} is correct. We have the canon example of {HumanvaD 'urwI' wIDam}.
Yes, but from that example, the object of {wI-} was not 100% clear, which is what made me feel unsure.
{SuvwI' qaDam} should also work, using the prefix trick applied to the above.
I guess that's what I had in mind.
What is the object of the verb {Dam}?
The thing that the subject is treating as being applicable or as though it were true.
Great! I'll add that to my notes, i.e. the Klingon wiki.
{SoHvaD SuvwI' vIDam} "I consider (treat somebody like) a warrior; you the the beneficiary of my doing so" > "I treat you as a warrior"
{SuvwI' SoH 'e' vIDam} "I view the statement to be applicable or true, that you are a warrior" > "I consider you to be a warrior"
-- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.tlhInganHol.com http://klingon.wiki/En/AliceInWonderland
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