I posted this on my twitter, and I will post it here too, because I like it. jatlh yoda pIn'a': cha' wIvmey neH qel sithpu' neH. 'a ghIq jatlh je: yIvang pagh yIvangQo'; yInIDQo' neH. vaj tlhoch'egh yoda.. ski: no ski. learn klingon. that's what you're here for. ~ changan qIj
ski: no ski. learn klingon. that's what you're here for.
cha’ DaeSeqmeywIj: an SKI can be helpful for those learning Klingon as it gives them something to check their interpretation against — especially when trying to interpret ambiguous or more “advanced” things. It’s pithy to say “just learn Klingon”, but from a pedagogical standpoint it’s likely more harmful than motivating for a new speaker. —jevreH
This is just an opinion. I was part of a square dance group that was torn between the dual missions of welcoming in new people, and developing a dance community that remained interesting for those who were interested in more advanced dances. Those who were focused on welcoming beginners stressed that the dances should all be kept simple. The others thought it would be enough to keep the first half of the evening simple for beginners, and then pull out the more interesting dances, suggesting that the beginners could watch and as they learn more, join in later. The people focused on welcoming beginners won. All the dances were kept simple. The advanced dancers left. Unfortunately, the advanced dancers were also the callers and without callers, there weren’t any further dances. The community collapsed. It was replaced by a contra dance community, so it wasn’t a horrible ending, but, the point is that it’s good to keep a balance. I think it’s okay to let SOME things through without focusing on the beginners, but it’s also important to keep enough content focused on beginners to keep them interested and help their development. Both activities should exist here. So long as we don’t get carried away and forget that new students are important to the community, I think it’s okay to not SKI every message. We tried putting out a separate list for those who wanted to post ONLY in Klingon without discussion or SKI, but it never caught on. I’m still a member, even though, thanks to the weirdness of configuration, I can’t post to it, or remove myself. Since nobody else posts to it, I just get a monthly automated reminder of the address I’m supposed to be able to log into to remove myself, though I can’t. So, this is a topic that probably could be addressed better by the community than we’ve done so far. I respect and appreciate the efforts people have gone through to do this well, but we’re not quite perfect yet. charghwI’ vaghnerya’ngan rInpa’ bomnIS be’’a’ pI’.
On Mar 8, 2019, at 9:27 AM, Jeffrey Clark <jmclark85@gmail.com> wrote:
ski: no ski. learn klingon. that's what you're here for.
cha’ DaeSeqmeywIj: an SKI can be helpful for those learning Klingon as it gives them something to check their interpretation against — especially when trying to interpret ambiguous or more “advanced” things.
It’s pithy to say “just learn Klingon”, but from a pedagogical standpoint it’s likely more harmful than motivating for a new speaker.
—jevreH _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org
pImchu' maH, pIm Hoch. we're all different taghwI' jIHtaHvIS, jIHvaD mu'tlheghmeyDaj mugh pagh. vaj jIQeHchoH, raS qIp ro'wIj 'ej jIjatlh; ngagh'eghjaj qeylIS ! tlhIngan Hol vIghoj, vabDot ngoQwIj Qav 'oHchugh, Holvam vIghoj jay' ! when I was a beginner no one translated for me his sentences, so I became pissed; I striked my fist on the table and said: kahless be damned, I will learn this f*** language, even if it is the last thing i do. nuv meqmeyDaj per tIqDaj DI'onmey it all depends on the individual 'op nuvpu'vaD Qatlhchugh, Daj; Qatlhchugh qa'chaj qaD, vaj tagha' DublaH for some people, if it is difficult, it is interesting; if it is difficult it challenges their mind so finally they advance. 'ej chaq, tlhoy ghojmeH mIw ngeDmoH ski. and perhaps, ski oversimplifies the process jISovbe'.. I don't know.. wa' De' neH vIghojbej.. only one thing I know for sure.. vIghro' tIQ vineHqu' !!! I want an ancient cat !!! hahaha ~ changan qIj
Anybody interested in being the Beginners’ Grammarian? It’s a great opportunity to grow as a Klingonist, and it is a huge service to the community. When I was BG, Krankor (The Grammarian) got frustrated with the quantity of messages ABOUT Klingon with so very little written in the language, and so he took the vow for a month and didn’t write anything in English. He assigned me, as BG, to translate everything he said, though I was supposed to wait a day or so to give everyone a chance to try to translate it themselves. So, I had a lot of well-constructed Klingon to translate. It helped me enormously to better understand the language. And the beginners could count on having it all translated for them, to get them through the parts they couldn’t figure out on their own. Anybody game? charghwI’ vaghnerya’ngan rInpa’ bomnIS be’’a’ pI’.
On Mar 8, 2019, at 1:05 PM, mayqel qunen'oS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
ghItlhta' mayqel tlhIb:
pImchu' maH, pIm Hoch.
'a ghItlhnISba'ta': mapImchu' maH, pIm Hoch.
QI'yaH ! jaSHa' QaghtaHchugh mayqel, vaj chay' Suto'vo'qor 'ellaH ?
~ Sauron Sogh _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org
Are there any beginners to start with ? For who would the bg, be a bg ? ~ changan qIj
Not here. Well, there may be a few, but the majority of beginners don't come here. They go to Discord, Facebook, and Duolingo. There's a reason the list hasn't had a need for the BG role for years. But don't let that stop you from having fun here. If someone wants to write just in Klingon, and someone else wants to post the translation a few days later, there's no reason to not do it. It follows the rules and help folks practice at the same time. qurgh On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 3:17 PM mayqel qunen'oS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
Are there any beginners to start with ? For who would the bg, be a bg ?
~ changan qIj _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org
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