'op wen «qabpaq»Daq be' loD je Segh mu'tay' rIchlu'taHvIS loQ Hol SarDaj tlhIn[1] Delpu' ghunchu'wI'. mu' puS Delpu' neH 'a vIvuQlu'bej. Hol Sarmey tlhIn bojal'a' je tlhIH? tIDel! loQ Hol SarwIj tlhIn pab mu'tay' je vIDel (not jIQummeH vIlo', mISmoHlaHmo'): * DuHbej «-taHvIS», 'a DuH je «-lI'vIS». ghantoH: «yu'muD vInaQmoHlI'vIS Hov leng vIbejtaH.» * cha' pongmey ghaj ngutlh «'»: «qaghwI'», «'ay» je. * «ghaH/chaH» DalaH je Hol lo'laHbe'bogh Dep'e'. «'oH/bIH» Da yInbe'bogh Doch neH. * ghuQ muchlu'DI', wanI' Del wot «bom». * 'ay' lugherlu'DI' chenchugh «mIr» vaj «tlharwIl» 'oH ngIq 'ay''e'. ghantoH: HaSta much mIr 'oH Hov leng'e'. Hoch Hogh tlharwIl chu' muchlu'. * «naHwI'» ghaH Ha'DIbaH SopQo'bogh ghot'e'. «naHchu'wI'» ghaH Ha'DIbaH, nIm, QIm, Hoch Ha'DIbaH Hal Soj je SopQo'bogh ghot'e'. (mu'wIj ru' lo'lu'chugh «naHchu'wI'» jIH.) * «'Inglan Hol» 'oH DIvI' Hol''e'. * wa' SepDaq boghpu'chugh vay' 'ej latlh Sep DabchoHchugh vaj «novpu'wI'» ghaH. * latlh ngoDHommey vIlIjpu'bogh je [1] DIvI' Hol mu' «idiolect» lo'pu'
'op Hol SarlIj tlhIn DaDelpu'bogh vIlo'Qo' 'a Hoch vIyajbej. bIQummeH Da'lo'chugh mumISmoHbe'. Hol SarwIj tlhIn'e', pIj mu'tlheghwIj vIlIHmeH qech'e' bopbogh mu'tlhegh vIja'. mu'tlhegh vorgh 'oH ghantoH'e'. rut jIjatlh <qorDu'wIj> 'ej rut, <qorDu'wI'>. <qorDu'wIj> jIjatlhchugh, no'wI', yurpu'wI', Hopbogh latlh joq vIqel. be'nalwI' puqbe'wI' je neH vIqelchugh jIjatlh <qorDu'wI'>. DIpmey Hechlu'ba'bogh nop Hoch 'ach rut wot je vInop jIH vIHechba'chugh. tlhegh vorghDaq mu'tlegh wa'DIch 'oH ghantoH'e'. roD jIjatlh <'a> ngajmo' 'ach pIj <'ach> jIjatlh lughlaw'chugh. lughlaw' DuH cha'DIch, mu' veb taghchugh qaghwI', ray', latlh vIlIjtaHbogh ghap. ~mIp'av
On May 15, 2019, at 10:10 PM, Ed Bailey <bellerophon.modeler@gmail.com> wrote:
rut jIjatlh <qorDu'wIj> 'ej rut, <qorDu'wI'>. <qorDu'wIj> jIjatlhchugh, no'wI', yurpu'wI', Hopbogh latlh joq vIqel. be'nalwI' puqbe'wI' je neH vIqelchugh jIjatlh <qorDu'wI'>.
maj. paq’batlhDaq rut «qorDu'lI'», «qorDu'wI'» joq vItu', 'ej rut «qorDu'wIj» vItu'. 'a pImmeH meq vItu'be'. chaq wIvlaH jatlhwI' 'ej meq poQlbe'lu'. jIHvaD Daj meqlIj tlhIn DawIvta'bogh.
On May 15, 2019, at 20:22, Daniel Dadap <daniel@dadap.net> wrote:
loQ Hol SarwIj tlhIn pab mu'tay' je vIDel (not jIQummeH vIlo', mISmoHlaHmo'):
latlh pabqoqwIj chut vIlIjpu'bogh vIDel: * mu'tlhegh taghlaH je «jay'». mu'qaD mojbe' mu'tlhegh taghDI' «jay'». * mu'tlhegh mu' Qav 'oHlaH je wot choHmeH chuv motlh'e'. qaSDI' wanI'vam, mu'qaD moj mu'tlhegh. ghantoH: «nay' naQ Sopchu'ta' nom!» = «nom nay' naQ Sopchu'ta' jay'!»
On Sun, Jun 2, 2019 at 4:22 PM Daniel Dadap <daniel@dadap.net> wrote:
* mu'tlhegh taghlaH je «jay'». mu'qaD mojbe' mu'tlhegh taghDI' «jay'». * mu'tlhegh mu' Qav 'oHlaH je wot choHmeH chuv motlh'e'. qaSDI' wanI'vam, mu'qaD moj mu'tlhegh. ghantoH: «nay' naQ Sopchu'ta' nom!» = «nom nay' naQ Sopchu'ta' jay'!»
Daj qechlIj cha'DIch. pabna' wembe', jatlh mu'tlheghlIj ghItlhlu'bogh <nay' naQ Sopchu'ta'! nom!> QIchvam vIQoychugh, jatlhwI' merpu' SopmeH Do 'e' vIjal. 'a qechlIj wa'DIch'e', wa'DIch bIjatlhchugh <jay'>, chay' mu'tlhegh SIgh? DaH mu'vam bopbogh qech vIjal. chaq mu'tlhegh rInmeH mu'vam lo'lu', mu' <chay'> rurmo'. ~mIp'av
On Jun 2, 2019, at 16:25, Ed Bailey <bellerophon.modeler@gmail.com> wrote:
'a qechlIj wa'DIch'e', wa'DIch bIjatlhchugh <jay'>, chay' mu'tlhegh SIgh?
“Intensely (invective)” 'oH «jay'» DIvI' Hol jIyweS'e'. vaj «jay'» 'oHDI' mu'tlhegh mu''e' wa'DIch, “intensely” neH 'oS. ghantoH: «jay' HaDtaH» = «HaDqu'qu'qu'taH»
On Sun, Jun 2, 2019 at 5:26 PM Ed Bailey <bellerophon.modeler@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Jun 2, 2019 at 4:22 PM Daniel Dadap <daniel@dadap.net> wrote:
* mu'tlhegh taghlaH je «jay'». mu'qaD mojbe' mu'tlhegh taghDI' «jay'».
'a qechlIj wa'DIch'e', wa'DIch bIjatlhchugh <jay'>, chay' mu'tlhegh SIgh?
chay' pIm «pe'vIl», bI'reS «jay'» lo'lIj taQ je? -- ghunchu'wI'
On Jun 2, 2019, at 16:41, Alan Anderson <qunchuy@alcaco.net> wrote:
chay' pIm «pe'vIl», bI'reS «jay'» lo'lIj taQ je?
jISovchu'be'. chay' pIm “forcefully”, “intensely” je? ghu' vIqelchoH. «pe'vIl chop», «jay' chop» je vIpatlhmoH. ghantoH vIchup: * pe'vIl Evander Holyfield chopta' Mike Tyson. qogh chevpu'. * jay' chopchuq wo'rIv, Dax je. parmaq buStaHvIS reghchuqmoH. pe'vIlHa' chopchuq.
On Sun, Jun 2, 2019 at 6:16 PM Daniel Dadap <daniel@dadap.net> wrote:
On Jun 2, 2019, at 16:41, Alan Anderson <qunchuy@alcaco.net> wrote:
chay' pIm «pe'vIl», bI'reS «jay'» lo'lIj taQ je?
jISovchu'be'. chay' pIm “forcefully”, “intensely” je?
ghu' vIqelchoH. «pe'vIl chop», «jay' chop» je vIpatlhmoH. ghantoH vIchup:
* pe'vIl Evander Holyfield chopta' Mike Tyson. qogh chevpu'. * jay' chopchuq wo'rIv, Dax je. parmaq buStaHvIS reghchuqmoH. pe'vIlHa' chopchuq.
cha' Doch pImbe' Dachevlaw'. reghmoHmeH pe'vIl chopnISba', vabDot 'ay'Du' chopchu'be'chugh. ~mIp'av
On Jun 2, 2019, at 22:48, Ed Bailey <bellerophon.modeler@gmail.com> wrote:
cha' Doch pImbe' Dachevlaw'. reghmoHmeH pe'vIl chopnISba', vabDot 'ay'Du' chopchu'be'chugh.
chaq pupbe' ghantoHmeywIj. chaq nIv ghantoHmeyvam: * pe'vIl ghopwIj 'uch. tlhoS nItlh HomDu'wIj ghor. * qaStaHvIS tup law' jay' ghopwIj 'uchtaH parmaq'a'maj wIqelqu'taHvIS.
On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 11:12 AM Daniel Dadap <daniel@dadap.net> wrote:
On Jun 2, 2019, at 22:48, Ed Bailey <bellerophon.modeler@gmail.com> wrote:
cha' Doch pImbe' Dachevlaw'. reghmoHmeH pe'vIl chopnISba', vabDot 'ay'Du' chopchu'be'chugh.
chaq pupbe' ghantoHmeywIj. chaq nIv ghantoHmeyvam:
* pe'vIl ghopwIj 'uch. tlhoS nItlh HomDu'wIj ghor. * qaStaHvIS tup law' jay' ghopwIj 'uchtaH parmaq'a'maj wIqelqu'taHvIS.
lo'vam taQ DaHech 'e' yajmeH, yevmeH Segh poQ ghantoHlIj: <qaStaHvIS tup law', jay'...> *jay' qaSlu'meH, nIteb qaSlu' net poQbe, qar'a'? *jay' ta' turchugh vay', ta'vam buS'a'? pagh ghantoHlIj vIyajHa''a'? ~mIp'av
On Jun 3, 2019, at 11:03, Ed Bailey <bellerophon.modeler@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 11:12 AM Daniel Dadap <daniel@dadap.net> wrote:
On Jun 2, 2019, at 22:48, Ed Bailey <bellerophon.modeler@gmail.com> wrote:
cha' Doch pImbe' Dachevlaw'. reghmoHmeH pe'vIl chopnISba', vabDot 'ay'Du' chopchu'be'chugh.
chaq pupbe' ghantoHmeywIj. chaq nIv ghantoHmeyvam:
* pe'vIl ghopwIj 'uch. tlhoS nItlh HomDu'wIj ghor. * qaStaHvIS tup law' jay' ghopwIj 'uchtaH parmaq'a'maj wIqelqu'taHvIS.
lo'vam taQ DaHech 'e' yajmeH, yevmeH Segh poQ ghantoHlIj: <qaStaHvIS tup law', jay'...>
bIlugh; Sor Darur. pImpu' ghantoH mu'tlhegh Deq vIghItlhta'bogh, 'a vIchoHta'DI' mu'tlheghwIj chu' vIlaDchu'be'pu'. jay' jagh yIbuStaH!
*jay' qaSlu'meH, nIteb qaSlu' net poQbe, qar'a'?
qarlaw'. nIteb qaSnISlu' 'e' vIjallaHbe'.
*jay' ta' turchugh vay', ta'vam buS'a'?
ta' buSlaHbej turwI'. 'a DuH je latlh DuH 'e' vIpIH. chaq qaStaHvIS poH nI' turtaH. chaq turqa' 'ej turqa'taH. vabDot chaq pe'vIl tur, 'a pe'vIl tur net poQbe'.
pagh ghantoHlIj vIyajHa''a'?
DayajHa'be'law'.
On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 12:44 PM Daniel Dadap <daniel@dadap.net> wrote:
On Jun 3, 2019, at 11:03, Ed Bailey <bellerophon.modeler@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 11:12 AM Daniel Dadap <daniel@dadap.net> wrote:
On Jun 2, 2019, at 22:48, Ed Bailey <bellerophon.modeler@gmail.com> wrote:
cha' Doch pImbe' Dachevlaw'. reghmoHmeH pe'vIl chopnISba', vabDot 'ay'Du' chopchu'be'chugh.
chaq pupbe' ghantoHmeywIj. chaq nIv ghantoHmeyvam:
* pe'vIl ghopwIj 'uch. tlhoS nItlh HomDu'wIj ghor. * qaStaHvIS tup law' jay' ghopwIj 'uchtaH parmaq'a'maj wIqelqu'taHvIS.
lo'vam taQ DaHech 'e' yajmeH, yevmeH Segh poQ ghantoHlIj: <qaStaHvIS tup law', jay'...>
bIlugh; Sor Darur. pImpu' ghantoH mu'tlhegh Deq vIghItlhta'bogh, 'a vIchoHta'DI' mu'tlheghwIj chu' vIlaDchu'be'pu'. jay' jagh yIbuStaH!
*jay' qaSlu'meH, nIteb qaSlu' net poQbe, qar'a'?
qarlaw'. nIteb qaSnISlu' 'e' vIjallaHbe'.
HIvqa' veqlargh! <pe'vIl> jatlh QInwIj 'e' vIHech, 'a qech pIm lughaj nItlhDu'wIj.
*jay' ta' turchugh vay', ta'vam buS'a'?
ta' buSlaHbej turwI'. 'a DuH je latlh DuH 'e' vIpIH. chaq qaStaHvIS poH nI' turtaH. chaq turqa' 'ej turqa'taH. vabDot chaq pe'vIl tur, 'a pe'vIl tur net poQbe'.
tlhoy qechvam QIjnISlu'. butlaw'be'. 'ach DaQIjmeH, wa'DIch bIjalth < «jay' HaDtaH» = «HaDqu'qu'qu'taH» > chaq pabHa' <qu'qu'qu'> 'a SIbI' vIyaj, butlaw'mo'. vImaS. ~mIp'av
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