I've been thinking about this all morning and it's driving me crazy. What's the difference between {Sarvam Duj} and {Duj Sarvam} ? Let's say I see a vorcha' vessel, and I say {Sarvam Duj vIlegh}. How would this be any different, than saying {Duj Sarvam vIlegh} ? Don't both options mean more or less the same ? ~ hkkhkh
On Aug 5, 2019, at 07:31, mayqel qunen'oS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
Let's say I see a vorcha' vessel, and I say {Sarvam Duj vIlegh}. How would this be any different, than saying {Duj Sarvam vIlegh} ?
I’d understand {Sarvam Duj} as “a vessel of this variety” and {Duj Sarvam} as “this variety of vessel”. They’re subtly different, and one or the other might be more appropriate depending on exactly what you meant to say. I’d also think {Segh} is probably more appropriate than {Sar}, especially since we have canon (the BoP poster) using {Segh} to mean ship class: {Segh - bI'rel tlharghDuj}
On Mon, 5 Aug 2019 at 14:31, mayqel qunen'oS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
I've been thinking about this all morning and it's driving me crazy.
What's the difference between {Sarvam Duj} and {Duj Sarvam} ?
Let's say I see a vorcha' vessel, and I say {Sarvam Duj vIlegh}. How would this be any different, than saying {Duj Sarvam vIlegh} ?
Don't both options mean more or less the same ?
Remember that N1-N2 is a thing of type N2. Do you see a {Duj} or a {Sar}? -- De'vID
De'vID:
Remember that N1-N2 is a thing of type N2. Do you see a {Duj} or a {Sar}?
hmm.. Interesting.. Indeed, it's the vessel that I see. So, perhaps it would be more correct to say {Sarvam Duj vIlegh}. It's just that I can't *feel* any considerable difference, between the {Sarvam Duj} and the {Duj Sarvam}. ~ jggjgk
What is actually driving me crazy in all this, is how we can have a noun-noun construction, without any considerable difference in meaning, regardless of the order in each individual noun appears. ~ gkkgkg
On 8/5/2019 9:10 AM, mayqel qunen'oS wrote:
What is actually driving me crazy in all this, is how we can have a noun-noun construction, without any considerable difference in meaning, regardless of the order in each individual noun appears.
There is plenty of difference. *Sarvam Duj* is a ship. *Duj Sarvam* is a variety. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
SuStel:
There is plenty of difference. Sarvam Duj is a ship. Duj Sarvam is a variety.
True. But even if I say {Duj Sarvam vIlegh}, then again, isn't it a vessel that I see ? This is where I can't *feel* the difference. No matter what I say, won't the listener understand that "I see a ship" ? ~ hfhffh
On 8/5/2019 9:19 AM, mayqel qunen'oS wrote:
SuStel:
There is plenty of difference. Sarvam Duj is a ship. Duj Sarvam is a variety.
True.
But even if I say {Duj Sarvam vIlegh}, then again, isn't it a vessel that I see ?
This is where I can't *feel* the difference.
No matter what I say, won't the listener understand that "I see a ship" ?
Looking at a "type" is a very abstract thing to do. You're recognizing a pattern, not just seeing a ship. You're being confused by the word *Sar,* not by the noun-noun construction. Suppose I were looking at a bell. *baS 'In vIlegh*/I see a metal drum (a bell)./ But suppose I were interested in the composition of the metal. I might look closely at it and say *'In baS vIlegh*/I see the drum's metal./ I'm still physically looking at the "drum," but what I'm really looking at is the metal that it's made of. A *baS 'In* is a kind of percussion instrument. *'In baS* is the metal that makes it up. One is related to the other, but the phrases mean two different things. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
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