Marc Okrand answering some questions
Hello there, I've been hesitating with answers lately, because I wanted to let Okrand speak himself. See this video to get some answers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4rvpm3bWk0 -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.de http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/MarcOkrand
How about a summary for those of us unable to view videos, and for easier searching in the future? -- SuStel http://trimboli.name From: Lieven L. Litaer Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2018 11:47 AM To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org Subject: [tlhIngan Hol] Marc Okrand answering some questions Hello there, I've been hesitating with answers lately, because I wanted to let Okrand speak himself. See this video to get some answers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4rvpm3bWk0 -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.de http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/MarcOkrand _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org
How about a summary for those of us unable to view videos, and for easier searching in the future? -- SuStel http://trimboli.name From: Lieven L. Litaer Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2018 11:47 AM To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org Subject: [tlhIngan Hol] Marc Okrand answering some questions Hello there, I've been hesitating with answers lately, because I wanted to let Okrand speak himself. See this video to get some answers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4rvpm3bWk0 -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.de http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/MarcOkrand _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org
Excellent; thanks! I know it's often said that we should request fewer new words and more clarification for the ones we already have, and for the most part I agree … but I certainly won't complain about getting both! //loghaD ________________________________________ From: tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org> on behalf of Lieven L. Litaer <levinius@gmx.de> Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2018 5:47:16 PM To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org Subject: [tlhIngan Hol] Marc Okrand answering some questions Hello there, I've been hesitating with answers lately, because I wanted to let Okrand speak himself. See this video to get some answers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4rvpm3bWk0 -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.de http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/MarcOkrand _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org
On Sun, 2 Dec 2018 at 17:47, Lieven L. Litaer <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
The "tears" thing is so annoying. Klingons clearly do cry (Kahless and Kurn both did). http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Tear_duct I wish that Okrand would admit that Spock lied or was mistaken, rather than keep insisting that Klingons don't have tear ducts, contrary to observation. -- De'vID
On Dec 3, 2018, at 00:21, De'vID <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 2 Dec 2018 at 17:47, Lieven L. Litaer <levinius@gmx.de> wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4rvpm3bWk0
The "tears" thing is so annoying. Klingons clearly do cry (Kahless and Kurn both did). http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Tear_duct
I wish that Okrand would admit that Spock lied or was mistaken, rather than keep insisting that Klingons don't have tear ducts, contrary to observation.
Isn’t it just as likely that Maltz is lying to Okrand? If tear ducts are a sensitive topic of conversation for Klingons, denying their existence could be a manifestation of his anatomical shyness.
-- De'vID _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org
On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 8:42 AM Daniel Dadap <daniel@dadap.net> wrote:
Isn’t it just as likely that Maltz is lying to Okrand? If tear ducts are a sensitive topic of conversation for Klingons, denying their existence could be a manifestation of his anatomical shyness.
My personal explanation for this phenomenon: Klingons do cry tears, though less often than humans. The enlightened members of the Federation observed that Klingons didn't display tears during times of emotion, and somehow got it into their heads that Klingons have no tear ducts. Klingons heard about this Federation stereotype, and thought it was very funny that humans would believe this. So Maltz was just playing along with the gag when Okrand asked him about tears all those years ago, as if he was seeing how long the Federation would continue believing something so silly. Afterwards, he probably laughed about it until he cried. (Klingon humor is sometimes difficult to understand, after all.) Wild speculation, of course.
One might also speculate that while Klingons' eyes do become red ( http://klingonska.org/canon/2003-12-holqed-12-4.txt ) and even produce excess water when under great emotional duress (such as Kahless crying out a lake), they don't have an organ specifically for collecting that water into drops. As such, they would understand {mIn bIQ}, but find the expression {mIn 'onroS} a bit strange, as their tears come in more of a continuous stream. Spock may have been under the misconception that this meant they could not cry (as Federation knowledge of Klingon anatomy and culture were incredibly limited at the time), or perhaps he was just being overly pedantic in response to Scotty's comment that Azetbur hadn't shed "a single tear". It may also have been a comment about how the Klingon response to the death of a loved one is different from what a human might expect. //loghaD ________________________________ From: tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org> on behalf of nIqolay Q <niqolay0@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, December 3, 2018 15:12 To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Marc Okrand answering some questions On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 8:42 AM Daniel Dadap <daniel@dadap.net<mailto:daniel@dadap.net>> wrote: Isn't it just as likely that Maltz is lying to Okrand? If tear ducts are a sensitive topic of conversation for Klingons, denying their existence could be a manifestation of his anatomical shyness. My personal explanation for this phenomenon: Klingons do cry tears, though less often than humans. The enlightened members of the Federation observed that Klingons didn't display tears during times of emotion, and somehow got it into their heads that Klingons have no tear ducts. Klingons heard about this Federation stereotype, and thought it was very funny that humans would believe this. So Maltz was just playing along with the gag when Okrand asked him about tears all those years ago, as if he was seeing how long the Federation would continue believing something so silly. Afterwards, he probably laughed about it until he cried. (Klingon humor is sometimes difficult to understand, after all.) Wild speculation, of course.
On Mon, 3 Dec 2018 at 15:31, Felix Malmenbeck <felixm@kth.se> wrote:
Spock may have been under the misconception that this meant they could not cry (as Federation knowledge of Klingon anatomy and culture were incredibly limited at the time), or perhaps he was just being overly pedantic in response to Scotty's comment that Azetbur hadn't shed "a single tear". It may also have been a comment about how the Klingon response to the death of a loved one is different from what a human might expect.
chaq mIn biQ 'och lughajbe'. chaq mIn bIQ 'enDeq lughaj. -- De'vID
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