Another option for fruit might be {tun} "be soft", which we've seen modify other class nouns: ghab tun boneless meat from midsection of animal (regional) HomHap tun cartilage ngogh tun pillow QongDaq ‘echlet tun mattress ‘atlhqam tun a type of mold Oddly enough, when {naH} was appended to the names of Terran foods in "Talk Now! Klingon", they all referred to fruit, not vegetables: banan naH banana mengho' naH mango pIlam naH plum ghIrep naHmey grapes per naHmey pears raSber naHmey raspberries Sutra'ber naHmey strawberries tomat naHmey tomatoes [technically a fruit] 'epIl naHmey apples Did I miss one? (Maybe the intended customers for TNK weren't known for eating their veggies!) Klingon do have fruits, but they're known by specific names. E.g. 'IventoH pineapple-like fruit 'epIn peach[-like fruit] peb'ot torpedo-shaped fruit na'ran type of [sweet] fruit Okrand always translates {naH} as "fruit or vegetable". I imagine he's making the culturally-relative point that Klingons simply don't think about sub-classes of {naH} like we do. Being primarily carnivores who moreover prefer their food uncooked, Klingons don't really eat much {naH} and thus don't particularly think much about it -- unless you're a cook. (KGT 85): The Klingon diet consists primarily of animal matter. With a few notable exceptions, plants seldom form the bases of dishes in their own right, though they are used quite a bit in food preparation, particularly as seasoning. (KGT 89): Any part of any plant that is eaten may be termed {naH}, usually translated fruit or vegetable. [...] The outer covering of a fruit or vegetable ({yub} "husk, rind, peel") is always consumed, except in the case of the {naHlet yub} (nut shell) (charghwI' [date?]): I have come to accept that if you eat it, it is {naH}. If it is a plant and you don't eat it, it is {tI}. Perhaps tI includes {naH} as a subset. {San'emDer} "plant" was revealed at qep'a' 2019, long after he wrote that, but charghwI's conclusion is still valid. __ Voragh -----------------------------------Original Message----------------------------------- From: Lieven L. Litaer Am 02.02.2021 um 15:17 schrieb mayqel qunen'oS:

Since we have just one word for both "fruit" *and* "vegetable", how in the glorious name of qeylIS the unforgettable are we supposed to say "the alien loves fruits, but hates vegetables"?

That's really agood question, and maybe there is even a word for this. But until we find out, I would simply make te difference by describing the fruit using adjectives, as in {naH tIv nov, 'ach naH wIb par} Of course that's not clear, since not all naH wIb are vegetables.

That was my point, actually: There aren't any Terran vegetables identified. If we attach any "in universe" meaning to the sources of these words, it appears that Klingons haven't had the need to name any Terran vegetables, perhaps because they don't notice or eat them. Or because alien fruit is more colorful, eye-catching and exotic. It was something worth pointing out. Voragh -----Original Message----- From: Lieven L. Litaer Am 05.02.2021 um 22:18 schrieb Steven Boozer:

Oddly enough, when {naH} was appended to the names of Terran foods in "Talk Now! Klingon", they all referred to fruit, not vegetables:

This might be because there are no Terran vegetables named at all.

Did I miss one?

You can find the TalkNow words on the Klingon wiki: http://klingon.wiki/En/TalkNow A list of food words is here. It includes a list of food name + appositions for comparison: http://klingon.wiki/En/FoodVocabulary While checking this, I noticed that we really do not have many terran vegetable words.