Hello dear Klingonists, at the qepHom words wish list, somebody asked for a word for "to sew". I searched for that, and noticed that we have a verb {QIS} of which I thought it has that meaning, at least it does so in German. So I wondered: What is the difference between "stitch" and "sew", if there is any? -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.tlhInganHol.com http://klingon.wiki/En/NewWordsQepa27
From my own usage, while there is some overlap, “sew” and “stitch” are different in English. For one thing, “stitch” is both a verb (poke a threaded needle back and forth through a piece of cloth, either to attach two pieces of cloth, or to add a decorative pattern of colored thread, typically of a contrasting color to a single piece of cloth), and it is also a noun: the decorative thread, itself, where it is woven through the cloth. A stitch is a single, tiny bit of thread showing between the hole it comes out from and the hole where it goes back in. “Sew” is only a verb, and it implies attaching one piece of cloth to another. Also, the medical term for using thread to hold the skin together from a cut to help the skin heal is “stitch”. You talk about “getting stitches” (a.k.a. “sutures”). You don’t “sew” a wound. You “stitch” a wound. You also sew seeds, putting them into soil. You don’t stitch seeds. I hope this helps. pItlh charghwI’ ‘utlh (ghaH, ghaH, -Daj)
On Oct 13, 2023, at 1:31 AM, Lieven L. Litaer via tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org> wrote:
Hello dear Klingonists,
at the qepHom words wish list, somebody asked for a word for "to sew". I searched for that, and noticed that we have a verb {QIS} of which I thought it has that meaning, at least it does so in German.
So I wondered: What is the difference between "stitch" and "sew", if there is any?
-- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.tlhInganHol.com http://klingon.wiki/En/NewWordsQepa27 _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org
Er…. I believe you *sow* seeds, not sew. Russ
On Oct 13, 2023, at 2:01 PM, Will Martin via tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org> wrote:
From my own usage, while there is some overlap, “sew” and “stitch” are different in English.
For one thing, “stitch” is both a verb (poke a threaded needle back and forth through a piece of cloth, either to attach two pieces of cloth, or to add a decorative pattern of colored thread, typically of a contrasting color to a single piece of cloth), and it is also a noun: the decorative thread, itself, where it is woven through the cloth. A stitch is a single, tiny bit of thread showing between the hole it comes out from and the hole where it goes back in.
“Sew” is only a verb, and it implies attaching one piece of cloth to another.
Also, the medical term for using thread to hold the skin together from a cut to help the skin heal is “stitch”. You talk about “getting stitches” (a.k.a. “sutures”). You don’t “sew” a wound. You “stitch” a wound.
You also sew seeds, putting them into soil. You don’t stitch seeds.
I hope this helps.
pItlh
charghwI’ ‘utlh (ghaH, ghaH, -Daj)
On Oct 13, 2023, at 1:31 AM, Lieven L. Litaer via tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org> wrote:
Hello dear Klingonists,
at the qepHom words wish list, somebody asked for a word for "to sew". I searched for that, and noticed that we have a verb {QIS} of which I thought it has that meaning, at least it does so in German.
So I wondered: What is the difference between "stitch" and "sew", if there is any?
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I do semantics better than spelling. Language is verbal. Writing represents verbal language, and in English, it’s very flawed in that function. It’s one of the things I like about Klingon better than English. pItlh charghwI’ ‘utlh (ghaH, ghaH, -Daj)
On Oct 13, 2023, at 3:07 PM, Russ Perry Jr via tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org> wrote:
Er…. I believe you *sow* seeds, not sew.
Russ
On Oct 13, 2023, at 2:01 PM, Will Martin via tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org> wrote:
From my own usage, while there is some overlap, “sew” and “stitch” are different in English.
For one thing, “stitch” is both a verb (poke a threaded needle back and forth through a piece of cloth, either to attach two pieces of cloth, or to add a decorative pattern of colored thread, typically of a contrasting color to a single piece of cloth), and it is also a noun: the decorative thread, itself, where it is woven through the cloth. A stitch is a single, tiny bit of thread showing between the hole it comes out from and the hole where it goes back in.
“Sew” is only a verb, and it implies attaching one piece of cloth to another.
Also, the medical term for using thread to hold the skin together from a cut to help the skin heal is “stitch”. You talk about “getting stitches” (a.k.a. “sutures”). You don’t “sew” a wound. You “stitch” a wound.
You also sew seeds, putting them into soil. You don’t stitch seeds.
I hope this helps.
pItlh
charghwI’ ‘utlh (ghaH, ghaH, -Daj)
On Oct 13, 2023, at 1:31 AM, Lieven L. Litaer via tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org> wrote:
Hello dear Klingonists,
at the qepHom words wish list, somebody asked for a word for "to sew". I searched for that, and noticed that we have a verb {QIS} of which I thought it has that meaning, at least it does so in German.
So I wondered: What is the difference between "stitch" and "sew", if there is any?
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mu'ghomwIj: sew: to work with needle and thread. stitch: A single pass of a needle in sewing; the loop or turn of the thread thus made. - DloraH On Fri, 2023-10-13 at 07:31 +0200, Lieven L. Litaer via tlhIngan-Hol wrote:
Hello dear Klingonists,
at the qepHom words wish list, somebody asked for a word for "to sew". I searched for that, and noticed that we have a verb {QIS} of which I thought it has that meaning, at least it does so in German.
So I wondered: What is the difference between "stitch" and "sew", if there is any?
-- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.tlhInganHol.com http://klingon.wiki/En/NewWordsQepa27 _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org
According to the song "Do-Re-Mi" (a.k.a. "Doe, a deer") by Richard Rodgers from "The Sound of Music" : "So, a needle pulling thread" It may or may not be a pun, but it is a good mnemonic. -- Voragh -----Original Message----- From: DloraH via tlhIngan-Hol mu'ghomwIj: sew: to work with needle and thread. stitch: A single pass of a needle in sewing; the loop or turn of the thread thus made. On Fri, 2023-10-13 Lieven L. Litaer wrote:
at the qepHom words wish list, somebody asked for a word for "to sew". I searched for that, and noticed that we have a verb {QIS} of which I thought it has that meaning, at least it does so in German.
So I wondered: What is the difference between "stitch" and "sew", if there is any?
I happened to watch TOS "Return to Tomorrow" last night on Chicago TV. There was an relevant line where Kirk tells McCoy in the briefing room: “That's like saying you wish that you still operated with scalpels and sewed your patients up with catgut like your great-great-great-great-grandfather used to.” Colloquially "stitch" would work just as well as "sew" here. "Suture" of course is the technical medical term. -- Voragh -----------------------------------Original Message----------------------------------- From: DloraH via tlhIngan-Hol Sent: Friday, October 13, 2023 4:45 PM mu'ghomwIj: sew: to work with needle and thread. stitch: A single pass of a needle in sewing; the loop or turn of the thread thus made. On Fri, 2023-10-13 Lieven L. Litaer via tlhIngan-Hol wrote:
at the qepHom words wish list, somebody asked for a word for "to sew". I searched for that, and noticed that we have a verb {QIS} of which I thought it has that meaning, at least it does so in German.
So I wondered: What is the difference between "stitch" and "sew", if there is any?
On Fri, Oct 13, 2023 at 7:31 AM Lieven L. Litaer via tlhIngan-Hol < tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org> wrote:
Hello dear Klingonists,
at the qepHom words wish list, somebody asked for a word for "to sew". I searched for that, and noticed that we have a verb {QIS} of which I thought it has that meaning, at least it does so in German.
For context, the request which resulted in {QIS} was worded as: stitch (v): pass needle and thread through fabric in the process of sewing The notes which accompanied the revealed word said: "The object is the thing being sewn or stitched together." This implies that {QIS} is used in Klingon to express the act of sewing, namely by supplying the object (presumably plural, if two things are being sewn together). So I wondered: What is the difference between "stitch" and "sew", if
there is any?
Yes. A stitch is a single turn or loop, the fundamental unit of movement in the textile arts. One of these is sewing, which is the act of attaching materials together with stitches. Another is {nIq} (weaving, knitting, crocheting), in which the stitches of material (e.g., yarn) themselves make up the final product. So someone who is sewing is making stitches, but someone who is stitching is not necessarily sewing. -- De'vID
Am 14.10.2023 um 23:53 schrieb De'vID:
So someone who is sewing is making stitches, but someone who is stitching is not necessarily sewing.
Okay, good. Based on the given definitions, it is clear that Klingons do not make that difference. It's just tricky to translate that information into German, because the difference is not so easy to express. :-) -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.tlhInganHol.com http://klingon.wiki/En/AliceInWonderland
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