Re: [tlhIngan Hol] android pIqaD fonts
Since we're on the subject, there is something I've been meaning to ask for quite some time. I have in my desktop computer, pIqaD fonts installed. But the kli pIqaD appears only when I have the "caps lock" pressed. If it isn't pressed then some symbols which resemble the kli pIqaD appear, but they aren't the usual pIqaD. Is there a reason for this ? ~ nI'ghma On Dec 12, 2017 19:35, "mayqel qunenoS" <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote: michael lieven je, Sujangta'mo' jIbel.. ..'ej lieven, nIqHom Dachupta'bogh vIwaHta'; 'a QapmeH, Do'Ha' rooted android poQ. jI'IQ. pIqaD vIghojta', 'a ghogh HablI'wIj vIlo'taHvIS, pIqaD ngutlhmey vIleghlaHbe'. chaq nIqHom 'ut luchenmoHlaH qurgh De'vID joq.. ~ nI'ghma On Dec 12, 2017 15:20, "Lieven" <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
Am 12.12.2017 um 14:00 schrieb mayqel qunenoS:
Is there a way someone could install pIqaD fonts, on an android non-rooted device ?
I once had it installed, but I'm not sure that works on newer version.
parts of the steps was installing the app iFont and download your used font - but I just don'T remember how it worked.
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Am 13.12.2017 um 12:09 schrieb mayqel qunenoS:
But the kli pIqaD appears only when I have the "caps lock" pressed. If it isn't pressed then some symbols which resemble the kli pIqaD appear, but they aren't the usual pIqaD.
Is there a reason for this ?
The reason is simply that Lawrence wanted to use 2 Fonts in one file. Have you read these? http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/Fonts and http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/PIqaD If that bothers you, I would recommend you switch to using those fonts which are mapped on lower case letters, i.e. using the xifan hol method. The KLI font uses XIFAN HOL. Read the mentioned pages. -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.com
Looking at the various pIqaD fonts, I believe it is a pity there are so many. All these variations, would raise the question: Since someone, for obvious reasons, can't learn them all, then which one should he learn ? Let alone the fact, that due to the way some of these characters are designed, if someone was to write them free-hand, several of these characters could be confused one for the other. Anyway, I have learned (or is it learnt ?) the kli pIqaD, which appears when someone has selected the upper-case letters. Although, now that I have learned (or learnt) it, I don't know where to use it. ~ nI'ghma On Dec 13, 2017 13:41, "Lieven" <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
Am 13.12.2017 um 12:09 schrieb mayqel qunenoS:
But the kli pIqaD appears only when I have the "caps lock" pressed. If it isn't pressed then some symbols which resemble the kli pIqaD appear, but they aren't the usual pIqaD.
Is there a reason for this ?
The reason is simply that Lawrence wanted to use 2 Fonts in one file.
Have you read these? http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/Fonts and http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/PIqaD
If that bothers you, I would recommend you switch to using those fonts which are mapped on lower case letters, i.e. using the xifan hol method. The KLI font uses XIFAN HOL. Read the mentioned pages.
-- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.com _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org
Am 14.12.2017 um 17:51 schrieb mayqel qunenoS:
Looking at the various pIqaD fonts, I believe it is a pity there are so many.
Really? I don't see your problem. Just look how many latin fonts there are. Thousands. Hundreds of thousands. (I'm sure this argumnt also works for greek.)
All these variations, would raise the question: Since someone, for obvious reasons, can't learn them all, then which one should he learn ?
The initial one, created by the KLI in 1989. All of the other fonts are basd on that one.
Let alone the fact, that due to the way some of these characters are designed, if someone was to write them free-hand, several of these characters could be confused one for the other.
No, not really. If you have learned the basic shape of the font, you can read and write all of them.
Although, now that I have learned (or learnt) it, I don't know where to use it.
I still don't know what your problem is. -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.com http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/PIqaD
On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 11:51 AM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
Looking at the various pIqaD fonts, I believe it is a pity there are so
many. I have no problem with gaining more fonts. In fact, I would love if we had regional fonts just like we have regional dialects. That said, I'd also prefer them to all be similar enough so that I can read them; so I guess I want it both ways. Open your word processor and look at all of the fonts you have to choose from. There is no reason to think that Klingons would only stick to one font.
All these variations, would raise the question: Since someone, for
obvious reasons, can't learn them all, then which one should he learn ? I'd start with the one adopted by the KLI as it's the most common/popular. But being able to read the others is useful for when they pop up (BoP manual, for example). But once again, look at all of the fonts in your word processor. Did you have to learn them all? I have trouble reading cursive / script, so I have trouble with those types of fonts, but otherwise I an switch between fonts without a problem.
Let alone the fact, that due to the way some of these characters are
designed, if someone was to write them free-hand, several of these characters could be confused one for the other. Typed fonts and handwriting don't have to go hand in hand. When my son was learning his letters in school, they learned "a" and "fancy a". The "fancy a" is found in books all the time. But almost no one writes it by hand. Since they were learning how to read, they needed to know to recognize the "fancy a" as "a". But they didn't need to know how to write it (though some of them tried).
Anyway, I have learned (or is it learnt ?) the kli pIqaD, which appears
when someone has selected the upper-case letters.
Although, now that I have learned (or learnt) it, I don't know where to
use it.
~ nI'ghma
Anywhere you want that Unicode fonts or handwriting are supported. You can read Qo'noS QonoS in pIqaD. And there's a comic book printed in pIqaD. ~naHQun -- ~Michael Roney, Jr. Freelance Translator
I agree that the more fonts we have, the more options we have in order to produce an aesthetically pleasing text. The problem though arises with some letters changing so much from font to font, to the point that they finally appear as being different letters altogether. There are various english fonts, with each displaying a different letter for the english "a". But anyone looking at these fonts can understand that it is the letter "a". However, at the various pIqaD fonts some letters change considerably. If someone has learned (or learnt) only the kli pIqaD, and suddenly sees the vaHbo' {Q} or the klingon block {S}, I don't think he will understand what these characters mean to represent. However, its no problem. As you pointed out (and I agree), its nice to have alternatives, especially if these alternate pIqaDmey are pleasing to the eye. ~ nI'ghma On Dec 14, 2017 19:09, "Michael Roney, Jr." <nahqun@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 11:51 AM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
Looking at the various pIqaD fonts, I believe it is a pity there are so
many.
I have no problem with gaining more fonts. In fact, I would love if we had regional fonts just like we have regional dialects. That said, I'd also prefer them to all be similar enough so that I can read them; so I guess I want it both ways.
Open your word processor and look at all of the fonts you have to choose from. There is no reason to think that Klingons would only stick to one font.
All these variations, would raise the question: Since someone, for
obvious reasons, can't learn them all, then which one should he learn ?
I'd start with the one adopted by the KLI as it's the most common/popular. But being able to read the others is useful for when they pop up (BoP manual, for example). But once again, look at all of the fonts in your word processor. Did you have to learn them all? I have trouble reading cursive / script, so I have trouble with those types of fonts, but otherwise I an switch between fonts without a problem.
Let alone the fact, that due to the way some of these characters are
designed, if someone was to write them free-hand, several of these characters could be confused one for the other.
Typed fonts and handwriting don't have to go hand in hand. When my son was learning his letters in school, they learned "a" and "fancy a". The "fancy a" is found in books all the time. But almost no one writes it by hand. Since they were learning how to read, they needed to know to recognize the "fancy a" as "a". But they didn't need to know how to write it (though some of them tried).
Anyway, I have learned (or is it learnt ?) the kli pIqaD, which appears
when someone has selected the upper-case letters.
Although, now that I have learned (or learnt) it, I don't know where to
use it.
~ nI'ghma
Anywhere you want that Unicode fonts or handwriting are supported.
You can read Qo'noS QonoS in pIqaD. And there's a comic book printed in pIqaD.
~naHQun
-- ~Michael Roney, Jr. Freelance Translator
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Am 14.12.2017 um 18:42 schrieb mayqel qunenoS:
There are various english fonts, with each displaying a different letter for the english "a". But anyone looking at these fonts can understand that it is the letter "a".
Oh really? What about "A"? it does not resemble "a" at all. My 6-yo has learned writing in preschool, but only capital letters. Now in school, she has tolearn the lower case letters. And it's really hard to understand that P is p, but d is D. putting that upside down, you get q, which is Q in uppercase, so just O with a comma. All of that is not very logical either. And then we even have handwritten letters, which are all different anyway.
However, at the various pIqaD fonts some letters change considerably.
Actually, there are only very few.
However, its no problem. As you pointed out (and I agree), its nice to have alternatives, especially if these alternate pIqaDmey are pleasing to the eye.
Yes, indeed. And once you got used to reading them, it's easy to red entire texts too. -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.com http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/Fonts
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