After I saw this as an internet meme, it has been in my mind for so long... - chay' bIQuchtaH? - QIpwI'pu'mo' jIghoHbe' 'e' vIwIvmo'. - 'ach Dap 'oH mIwvetlh. - bIlugh. - What is your way to happiness? - Not to argue with idiots. - But that's nonsense. - You are right. -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.de http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/StarTrekDiscovery
On 7/8/2019 2:28 AM, Lieven L. Litaer wrote:
After I saw this as an internet meme, it has been in my mind for so long...
- chay' bIQuchtaH? - QIpwI'pu'mo' jIghoHbe' 'e' vIwIvmo'. - 'ach Dap 'oH mIwvetlh. - bIlugh.
- What is your way to happiness? - Not to argue with idiots. - But that's nonsense. - You are right.
pa' lu'el cha' DIvI' beq. jatlh beq wa'DIch, tlhIngan Hol jatlhlu'taHvIS chay' "fuck you" mughlu'? jang beq cha'DIch, jatlh, jISovbe'. tlhIngan Hol jatlhlu'taHvIS chay' "fuck you" mughlu'? jatlh beq wa'DIch, jISovbe' je. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
On 7/10/2019 5:36 AM, De'vID wrote:
On Mon, Jul 8, 2019, 09:35 SuStel, <sustel@trimboli.name <mailto:sustel@trimboli.name>> wrote:
pa' lu'el cha' DIvI' beq. jatlh beq wa'DIch, tlhIngan Hol jatlhlu'taHvIS chay' "fuck you" mughlu'?
tlhIngan Hol lulo'be'bogh mu'qaDmey'e' chaw''a' QIn tetlhvam chutmey?
tetlh chutmey vISamlaHbe', vaj qajanglaHbe'. mu' tlhIn lutuchbe'lu'law'. Lieven lutHom chun rurbogh lutHom vImuchpu' 'e' vIHechba' neH. ghaH 'Il law' jIH 'Il rap. paghna' lumawlaH lutHommeymaj tlhaQ. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
tlhIngan Hol lo’taHvIS rut yajHa’lu’. chaq DatIch chaq ‘e’ DaHechbe’ ‘ach DuyajHa’. naDev qaSqa’taH. pIj qaSlaw’. charghwI’ vaghnerya’ngan rInpa’ bomnIS be’’a’ pI’.
On Jul 10, 2019, at 9:33 AM, SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
On 7/10/2019 5:36 AM, De'vID wrote:
On Mon, Jul 8, 2019, 09:35 SuStel, <sustel@trimboli.name <mailto:sustel@trimboli.name>> wrote: pa' lu'el cha' DIvI' beq. jatlh beq wa'DIch, tlhIngan Hol jatlhlu'taHvIS chay' "fuck you" mughlu'?
tlhIngan Hol lulo'be'bogh mu'qaDmey'e' chaw''a' QIn tetlhvam chutmey?
tetlh chutmey vISamlaHbe', vaj qajanglaHbe'. mu' tlhIn lutuchbe'lu'law'.
Lieven lutHom chun rurbogh lutHom vImuchpu' 'e' vIHechba' neH. ghaH 'Il law' jIH 'Il rap. paghna' lumawlaH lutHommeymaj tlhaQ.
-- SuStel http://trimboli.name <http://trimboli.name/>_______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org
On Wed, 10 Jul 2019 at 15:33, SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
On 7/10/2019 5:36 AM, De'vID wrote:
On Mon, Jul 8, 2019, 09:35 SuStel, <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
pa' lu'el cha' DIvI' beq. jatlh beq wa'DIch, tlhIngan Hol jatlhlu'taHvIS chay' "fuck you" mughlu'?
tlhIngan Hol lulo'be'bogh mu'qaDmey'e' chaw''a' QIn tetlhvam chutmey?
tetlh chutmey vISamlaHbe', vaj qajanglaHbe'. mu' tlhIn lutuchbe'lu'law'.
chutmey vISampu'. mIt 'ay'vam: <As long as it's written in Klingon, you can write about anything. If it's not written in Klingon, think hard about sending it. Posts that don't conform to these rules are not appropriate to send to the list. In the worst cases, inappropriate posts will result in your immediate removal from the list. Here are some examples of inappropriate posts which will result in your immediate removal from the list: * Posts with vulgar, offending language...> (KLI mailing list FAQ, 'ay' 1.2.5) chutvam meybej F-jorwI'qoq. 'ach pablaH loHwI' pagh pabHa'laH. bImej qoj mej Lieven, 'e' vIneHbe'. -- De'vID
On 7/11/2019 4:39 AM, De'vID wrote:
Here are some examples of inappropriate posts which will result in your immediate removal from the list: * Posts with vulgar, offending language...> (KLI mailing list FAQ, 'ay' 1.2.5)
chutvam meybej F-jorwI'qoq. 'ach pablaH loHwI' pagh pabHa'laH. bImej qoj mej Lieven, 'e' vIneHbe'.
chaq tetlh mumuvHa'nISmoH loHwI'. yojDaj vIlaj. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
I don’t get {‘e’ vIwIvmo’.} SAO, as I’ve always understood it, consists of two complete sentences linked by the pronoun. The second sentence here is a dependent clause. Maybe this is just informal speech, but it seems ungrammatical, as if this is proper grammar for answering a question, but I’m not sure that’s the case. Consider in English the difference between two answers to “Why are you sad?”: 1. "Because my nephew just died." 2. “My nephew just died.” The first version doesn’t add any meaning, and it’s not really grammatically complete. Any answer to a “Why” question is already known to be a reason, so you don’t need to begin it with “Because…” As a side note, my nephew just shot himself. I don’t know if truth is stranger than fiction, but it competes admirably well. Also, instead of {QIpwI’pu’mo’ jIghoHbe’}, I’d go for, {ghoHDI’ QIpwI’pu’, jIjeSQo’}. It just seems clearer as to what my action is. It leaves me the option of actually arguing when those who argue are not fools, whereas if I say that I don’t argue BECAUSE of fools, then since fools perpetually exist, I never get to argue. But I get the joke. ghojwI’Hom: nuq ‘oH bIQuchtaHmeH mIwlIj’e'? ghojmoHwI’’a’: ghoHDI’ qoHpu’, jIjeSQo'. ghojwI’Hom: QIpchu' Qechvam. ghojmoHwI’’a’: bIlugh. maQochbe’chu’. charghwI’ vaghnerya’ngan rInpa’ bomnIS be’’a’ pI’.
On Jul 8, 2019, at 2:28 AM, Lieven L. Litaer <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
After I saw this as an internet meme, it has been in my mind for so long...
- chay' bIQuchtaH? - QIpwI'pu'mo' jIghoHbe' 'e' vIwIvmo'. - 'ach Dap 'oH mIwvetlh. - bIlugh.
- What is your way to happiness? - Not to argue with idiots. - But that's nonsense. - You are right.
-- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.de http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/StarTrekDiscovery _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org
On 7/8/2019 9:59 AM, Will Martin wrote:
I don’t get {‘e’ vIwIvmo’.} SAO, as I’ve always understood it, consists of two complete sentences linked by the pronoun. The second sentence here is a dependent clause. Maybe this is just informal speech, but it seems ungrammatical, as if this is proper grammar for answering a question, but I’m not sure that’s the case.
Consider in English the difference between two answers to “Why are you sad?”:
1. "Because my nephew just died."
2. “My nephew just died.”
The first version doesn’t add any meaning, and it’s not really grammatically complete. Any answer to a “Why” question is already known to be a reason, so you don’t need to begin it with “Because…”
There is plenty of evidence to show that when TKD speaks of "sentences," it really refers to any verbal clause. /paq'batlh/ has examples of using *'e'* in a dependent clause. *qeylIS Qaw’ ‘e’ nIDmeH yerDaj weH molor ‘ej juH qachDaj meQmoH* /Molor did not destroy Kahless// // By burning his house// // Or ravaging his lands./* * *Hoch qImmoH mu’meyDaj** ** ghob ‘ach ‘ej val** ** yIntaH ‘e’ luleghmo’ chaH mer* All were bemused by his words, Wise and full of spirit, And astonished to see him alive. *le’yo’raj nIHlu’ta’mo’ penoD jatlh qeylIS** ** nuHmeyraj tIQorgh** ** watlh ‘Iwraj ‘e’ lu’aghmo’ nuHmey jej* /About avenging their stolen pride,// // About caring for their weapons,// // For they represent the purity of their blood./ *jatlh ‘e’ mevDI’ qeylIS, lop** ** chaq tugh batlh Heghmo’** ** ‘ej chaq tugh charghmo’* /After Kahless’s words, they celebrate, For they may soon die with honor! For they may soon be victorious!/ *veqlarghvo’ narghbogh loD chutDaj bIv ‘e’ ngIlbogh loD DaH pongDaj Sov qotar * /Now Kotar has the name Of the one who eluded Fek’lhr, And dared to defy his rules. / I'll stop here. There are undoubtedly more. Now, if you're concerned that the dependent clause is never followed up by a main clause, I'd just chalk that up to informal speech, as you suggest. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
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