Am 21.10.2021 um 11:34 schrieb mayqel qunen'oS:

lieven:

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The preliminary cover has the trfoil mirrored.

This obscure and mysterious term confuses me.

What in the glorious name of kahless the unforgettable is a "mirrored trfoil"???

Sorry for the typo. "trefoil" is the word for the Klingon logo which consists of three (tri) parts (folium). On the image it is mirrored, like R --> Я For more, see http://klingon.wiki/En/Trefoil -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.tlhInganHol.com

On 10/21/2021 10:02 AM, Will Martin wrote:

At issue is that I’m sure the normal trefoil is copyrighted/trademarked/patented by Paramount, so the mirror version gives us the nudge-nudge-wink-wink “this is Klingon stuff but we don’t want to get sued”.

Printing a protected symbol in reverse is not enough to get around its protection.

Then again, it’s Simon & Schuster, which is Paramount’s publisher for all its Klingon stuff, so it doesn’t need to be mirrored. Maybe they mirrored it because it hasn’t been approved yet?

They probably just slapped together a quick mock-up, and whoever did it flipped the image for some reason (fitting on the page?) didn't notice or didn't care that this made the image backwards. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name

I don’t believe there is one. I think the closest we’ve seen to an actual type of binding is {gho paq} “[ring] binder, notebook” (qepHom 2015) which is clearly different. There is also this discussion Lieven had with Okrand at qepHom 2015: (Lieven, 11/05/2015): I asked Okrand about this [i.e. envelope], and he first said "Why can't a thing have two words?" He later went into detail, saying that a {vaH} [i.e. “holster, sheath“] can be used for any kind of cover you use to put things in, for instance also a CD sleeve. The {vaH} is usually a finished piece of material. The word {qatwI'} is a more literal translation of the meaning "envelope". Sometimes you can look at an envelope and see how it's made: it's a piece of paper wrapping around something. Next Okrand said that if there were a Klingon-Klingon dictionary, {nav qatwI'} would be a good description for a {nav vaH}. {nav qatwI’} also works for a paperback cover or dust jacket. This suggests *{'echlet qatwI’} for a (card)board cover, *{(qo’rIn) DIr qatwI’} for a leather cover, etc. In addition to {qat} “wrap, encase”, {Qan} “protect” is another option. We know of: DIr QanwI' taS suntan lotion (TNK) mIn QanwI' eyeglasses (TNK) tal QanwI' cannon guard [i.e. armor-plated] (KBoP) {QanwI’} feels more substantial than a {qatwI’}, rather like a slipcase or shell box (both of which I deal with on a regular basis as a rare book cataloger at the University of Chicago Library). -- Voragh ________________________________________________________________ From: tlhIngan-Hol On Behalf Of De'vID On Thu, 21 Oct 2021 at 16:23, SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name<mailto:sustel@trimboli.name>> wrote: They probably just slapped together a quick mock-up, and whoever did it flipped the image for some reason (fitting on the page?) didn't notice or didn't care that this made the image backwards. ghaytan bIlugh. paq mIllogh po'oHDaq mu'meyvam tu'lu': "Final Cover to be Revealed". (chay' "cover (of a book)" jatlhlu'?)