numuvDI' qunnoq, SIbI' latlhDaj vItu' 'ej ngotlhqu'mo', naQchoH laHDaj 'e' vIpIH. tlhetlhqu'taHvIS ghaH, qech pegh vIghajchoH. valmo' 'ej qeqqu'mo' 'ej Holmaj SaHqu'mo' nom jatlhwI' po' mojta' qunnoq. wIHo' 'ej wInaD 'e' baj. qunnoq Dachugh ghojwI', tugh jatlhwI' moj. numuvpu'mo' jIbel . ratlh 'ej laHDaj DubtaH 'e' vItul. 'a qeqtaHvIS qunnoq, pIj be'pu' tIch mu'tlheghmeyDaj. be' vuvbe'law' qunnoq. vIghuHmoH 'a tlhIjbe'. jIH muvuvqu'taH 'a be' ghaH Qov'e' 'e' Sov'a' qunnoq? ngoDvam vI'angDI' mughongchoH'a'? jISovbe'. chaq be' vuD SaHbe' qunnoq. qatlh SaHnIS? vuDDaj ghaj net chaw, 'ej tIghDaj vISeHbe' jIH. Sar tIghmey. Sep Hop Dab ghaH. laHDaj vIHo'taH 'ach qechwIj pegh vIlon. qep'a' ghoSmeH qunnoq vIDIlbe'. wIvuvbe'lu'mo' 'eb law' Hutlh be'pu'. 'a rut nuvuvbe'mo' 'eb jonlaHbe' loD. - Qov

-----Original Message----- From: tlhIngan-Hol [mailto:tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org] On Behalf Of Alan Anderson Sent: June 14, 2016 10:26 To: Klingon language email discussion forum Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] 'op Human be'..

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 10:29 AM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:

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naymeH loD nejDI' be', wa' Doch neH neH ghaH ; Huch law' ghaj loD neH ghaH. Huch law' ghajchugh loD, vaj pup ghaH. 'ach mIpHa'chugh vaj ghaHvaD veQ ghaH..

qatlh qechvam QIp DaHar? be'pu' nen vISovbogh jIH Delbe' vuDlIj. chaq nughlIj Do'Ha' law' nughwIj Do'Ha' puS. chaq muDech motlhHa'bogh 'ej quvbogh nuvpu'. chaq wanI' QaQ neH vIlegh 'ej qabbogh wanI' vItu'be'.

pagh chaq bIqay' SoH. reH Dumawlaw' vay'. Ha'DIbaHmeymo' bIbep. Hov leng HoD Dun DatIch. be'pu' DaqeH. vabDot mI'meymo' bIQay' jay'!

cho'ItmoHtaH, qunnoq. law'choH tlhIngan Hol jatlhwI'pu' vIneH, 'ach nuvpu' tIchmeH neH Holvam lo'DI' qejwI'...vIneHbe'.

-- ghunchu'wI' _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org

On 6/15/2016 4:09 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:

juppu' vISuqmeH naDev jIHbe'. 'ej jIHvaD pagh 'oH tlhIngan Hol nugh laj'e'. pagh'e' ! pagh'e' ! I'm not here to make friends, and for me the klingon community's acceptance means nothing. N-O-T-H-I-N-G !

wa' meqmo' neH, naDev jIH.. tlhIngan Hol vIghojmeH naDev jIH. I'm here only because of one reason.. to learn klingon.

qaStaHvIS jarmeyvam, klingonska vIHaDtaH ; these months I'm studying klingonska ;

klingonska vIHaDta'DI', 'ej tetlhvamvo' Hoch De'mey vISuqnISbogh vInatlhta'DI', ngugh jImej. as soon as I finish klingonska, and as soon as I have drained this list for all data that I need, then I will leave.

Hoch Damawchugh 'IvvaD tlhIngan Hol Dajatlh? qatlh Hol Daghoj DujatlhQo'chugh Hoch Hol jatlhwI'pu'? -- SuStel http://trimboli.name

On 6/15/2016 10:40 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:

ngoQ tlhaQvaD tlhIngan Hol vIHaDbe' ; tlhIngan HolvaD ngoQ Saghqu' vIghaj. I don't learn klingon for fun ; I have a very serious reason. a' jIHvaD neH meqvam tu'lu'. however this reason is personal.

peghmo' meqlIj vIchovlaHbe'. jaS qayu': Hoch Damawchugh tlhIngan Hol DughojmoH 'Iv? bIqeq 'e' boQ 'Iv? -- SuStel http://trimboli.name

'a quv bajnISqu'lu'

quvHa'ghach qotlhnISbe'lu''a'? nuvpu' DaSovbe'bogh DavuvHa'qangchugh, quv Dabajbe'. ________________________________________ From: tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org> on behalf of mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 10:09 To: tlhIngan Hol mailing list Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] 'op Human be'.. at Qov : Qov, reH quv qotlhlu'chugh vaj nuvvam vIvuvqangqu'. 'a quv bajnISqu'lu'.. Qov, if someone deserves honor, then I'm perfectly willing to respect him. however honor NEEDS TO BE EARNED.. Qov:

qep'a' ghoSmeH qunnoq vIDIlbe'.

qatlho', 'a qep'a vIghoSQo'. paghlogh ! .. qep'a' vIghoSchugh vaj qunnoq vIDIllaHqu'. thank you Qov, but I don't want to attend any qep'a'. never ! if I wanted to attend one though, I would be perfectly able to pay for myself. DaH ! ghunchu'wI'.. 'o ghunchu'wI'.. Now ! ghunchu'wI'.. oh ghunchu'wI'.. juppu' vISuqmeH naDev jIHbe'. 'ej jIHvaD pagh 'oH tlhIngan Hol nugh laj'e'. pagh'e' ! pagh'e' ! I'm not here to make friends, and for me the klingon community's acceptance means nothing. N-O-T-H-I-N-G ! wa' meqmo' neH, naDev jIH.. tlhIngan Hol vIghojmeH naDev jIH. I'm here only because of one reason.. to learn klingon. qaStaHvIS jarmeyvam, klingonska vIHaDtaH ; these months I'm studying klingonska ; klingonska vIHaDta'DI', 'ej tetlhvamvo' Hoch De'mey vISuqnISbogh vInatlhta'DI', ngugh jImej. as soon as I finish klingonska, and as soon as I have drained this list for all data that I need, then I will leave. borg tIgh 'oH vangmeH tIghvam'e' ! this is the borg way ! DaH, Now, choparqu'. 'ej qay'be'.. teH, qay'be'. you dislike me and that's ok.. really, there's no problem. 'a ghunchu'wI' qaparHa'.. qaparHa'bej.. meqvammo' : but I like you, I really like you.. because of this reason : reH chomawmo', jIDub 'e' vInID. because you always offend me, I'm trying to improve. tlhIngan Hol vIghoj DaneHbe'mo', jIDub reH 'e' vInID ! hahaha because you don't want me to learn klingon, I'm always trying to improve ! hahaha toH, ghunchu'wI' qatlho' ! so thank you ! 'a wa' ngoDvam DatlhojnISqu' : but you need to realize this one fact : yIntaHbogh Hol 'oH tlhIngan Hol'e'. ghojwI'pu'Daj Segh DaSeHlaHbe'qu'. klingon is a real language and you can't control who will learn it and who will not. DIvI' Hol vIjatlhlaH je' ; vIlIj DaneH'a' ? I'm able to speak english too ; do you want me to forget it ? toH, DaH, maSaghchoHjaj.. so lets get serious.. po'wI' vImojbejqu' 'ej chomevlaHbe'chu'. I WILL become an expert and you are unable to stop me. tlhIngan Hol Daghajbe' SoH'e' ! YOU don't own klingon ! Qapla'! qunnoq HoD On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 5:29 AM, Robyn Stewart <robyn@flyingstart.ca> wrote:

numuvDI' qunnoq, SIbI' latlhDaj vItu' 'ej ngotlhqu'mo', naQchoH laHDaj 'e' vIpIH. tlhetlhqu'taHvIS ghaH, qech pegh vIghajchoH. valmo' 'ej qeqqu'mo' 'ej Holmaj SaHqu'mo' nom jatlhwI' po' mojta' qunnoq. wIHo' 'ej wInaD 'e' baj. qunnoq Dachugh ghojwI', tugh jatlhwI' moj. numuvpu'mo' jIbel . ratlh 'ej laHDaj DubtaH 'e' vItul.

'a qeqtaHvIS qunnoq, pIj be'pu' tIch mu'tlheghmeyDaj. be' vuvbe'law' qunnoq. vIghuHmoH 'a tlhIjbe'. jIH muvuvqu'taH 'a be' ghaH Qov'e' 'e' Sov'a' qunnoq? ngoDvam vI'angDI' mughongchoH'a'? jISovbe'. chaq be' vuD SaHbe' qunnoq. qatlh SaHnIS? vuDDaj ghaj net chaw, 'ej tIghDaj vISeHbe' jIH. Sar tIghmey. Sep Hop Dab ghaH. laHDaj vIHo'taH 'ach qechwIj pegh vIlon. qep'a' ghoSmeH qunnoq vIDIlbe'.

wIvuvbe'lu'mo' 'eb law' Hutlh be'pu'. 'a rut nuvuvbe'mo' 'eb jonlaHbe' loD.

- Qov

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-----Original Message----- From: tlhIngan-Hol [mailto:tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org] On Behalf Of Alan Anderson Sent: June 14, 2016 10:26 To: Klingon language email discussion forum Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] 'op Human be'..

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 10:29 AM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:

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naymeH loD nejDI' be', wa' Doch neH neH ghaH ; Huch law' ghaj loD neH ghaH. Huch law' ghajchugh loD, vaj pup ghaH. 'ach mIpHa'chugh vaj ghaHvaD veQ ghaH..

qatlh qechvam QIp DaHar? be'pu' nen vISovbogh jIH Delbe' vuDlIj. chaq nughlIj Do'Ha' law' nughwIj Do'Ha' puS. chaq muDech motlhHa'bogh 'ej quvbogh nuvpu'. chaq wanI' QaQ neH vIlegh 'ej qabbogh wanI' vItu'be'.

pagh chaq bIqay' SoH. reH Dumawlaw' vay'. Ha'DIbaHmeymo' bIbep. Hov leng HoD Dun DatIch. be'pu' DaqeH. vabDot mI'meymo' bIQay' jay'!

cho'ItmoHtaH, qunnoq. law'choH tlhIngan Hol jatlhwI'pu' vIneH, 'ach nuvpu' tIchmeH neH Holvam lo'DI' qejwI'...vIneHbe'.

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On 6/15/2016 4:52 PM, Alan Anderson wrote:

taghwI'vaD poHmaj wInob. wIghojmoH. wIDev 'ej QaghHommeyDaj wIlughmoH. HaDwI' qu' wInaD. jomaj wIghaqmo', jatlhwI' po' wISuqmeH 'e' wIpIH. yapDI' ngaqmaj, latlhpu'vaD ngaq noblaH ghaH 'e' wIpIH. wa' Dol nIvDaq matay'DI' maQap, qar'a'?

'ach bIpo'choHDI' SoH, maHvaD 'IQmoHbogh mu'mey Damaq. juja': SaSaHbe'! SapoQbe'! Sanatlhta'DI' SawoD.

roD maQoch jIH ghunchu'wI' je, 'ach ja'chuqghachvammo' romna' wIchav. qatlh qaboQqang, qunnoq, julonchugh Sovmaj Danatlhpu'DI'? cho'IQmoHpu'. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name

meq DamoghchoHmoHbogh vIlajchu' ; tlhIHvaD nuv qab jIHba'. I understand your frustration ; you obviously believe I'm the bad guy. 'ach (potlhqu'bogh wa' ghelmeH mu'tlhegh napqu') Daqelbe'ba' : naDev, 'Iv mawbejta' 'Iv. but obviously you're not considering one -so simple yet so important- question: who actually offended who in this list. ngoDmey potlh tu'lu', ngaDmey DaSovbe'bogh. there are important facts, which you do not know. toH, qawmeH tawDaq mayItjaj.. so, lets take a stroll down memory lane.. naDev vIpawta'DI', 'oH ghelmeH mu'tlhegh wa'DIchwIj'e' : darthvaD mu' tu'lu'a' ? as soon as I arrived here, my first question was : is there a word for darth ? 'a SIbI' - (QIn ngeHmeH Daq'e' ghajbogh ghaH neH) lo'taHvIS, jIHvaD jatlhlu'ta': but immediately, someone contacted me off list and said : mu'mey chu'vaD yIghelbe' ! mu'mey chu'vaD bIgheltaHchugh, vaj pIlajQo'. don't ask for new words ! if you continue asking you will be banned. 'ej mawchu'meH mu'mey lo'ta'. and the way he said this was quite rude. religious terminologyDaq QIn ghom, tlhIngan ghojmeH mIwvaD maja'chuq ; 'ej (QIn ngeHmeH Daq'e' ghajbogh ghaH neH) lo'taHvIS, jIHvaD jatlhqa'lu': at the religious terminology thread, we were discussing the klingon learning process ; and again I was threatened off-list : tlhIngan Hol Dalo'be'chugh, vaj pIlajQo'. if you don't use klingon, then you will be banned. 'a -ngugh- chay' tlhIngan Hol vIlo'laH jay' ? taghwI' neH jIH. but at that time, how could I be able to use klingon ? I was just a beginner. DaH, qaStaHvIS jar veb, pabvaD jIgheltaHvIS - pab naDlu'Qo'bogh -, jIHvaD mu'mey Doch lujatlhqa'lu'ta'. during the next months, even while I was asking for grammar, but grammar which someone didn't approve, then again rude words were said. 'ej jIjatlhta'DI' : mojaq chu' vIparHa' vaj poSchoHpu' ghe''or lojmIt ! and when I said : I would like a new suffix, once more the gates of hell opened ! 'ach peloS ! qaSbogh latlh wanI' law' tulu' je.. but wait ! there is more.. reH, naDev pawta'DI' vay' 'ej mu'meyDaj qab law' mu'mey'wIj qab puS, bep pagh ! pagh'e' ! always, whenever here some new guy arrived, whose requests were way more absurd than mine, noone complained ! noone ! wa'logh jatlhta' vay' : vatlh law' mu' ghajDI' tlhIngan Hol, ngugh vIghajqang ! qaSpa' ghu'vam vIghojQo ! someone once wrote : only when klingon possesses several thousands words, I will be willing to learn it. not before ! 'ej ngugh chay' Suvang ? Subep'a' ? ghobe' ! ghaHvaD jeghta' Hochmey po'wI'pu' ! and then what did you do ? did you complain ? of course not ! all senior members surrendered. tlhIngan Hol ghojqangQo'bogh vay'vaD, Sujeghta'.. for someone who didn't want to learn klingon you surrendered.. mu'meyDaj vIjatlhta'DI', qaSpu'pa' wa' lup neH, tuHIvbej. if I had spoken his words, you would have attacked me in an instant. DaH.. 'Iv jImawpu' ? pIqarD, wo'rIv ? yInbogh nuv chaH'a' ? who did I offend ? picard ? worf ? are they real persons ? nuv lujallu'ta'bogh chaH jay' ! toH, nuq 'oH qay'wI''e' jay' ? they are FICTIONAL characters ! so what's the problem ? mu' {'op}'e' lo'ta' 'op be'pu' QIn. mu' {Hoch} lo'be'ta'. the 'op be'pu' message used the word {'op}, not the word {Hoch}. 'ej ghojmeH nabwIj vIchenmoHta'mo', meqvammo' DaH tupIch ? and because I created a plan in order to learn, because of that reason you blame me ? SIbI'Ha' mejta'ghachwIj bopmo' nabwIj, tupIch ? because my plan eventually concerns my leaving, you blame me ? 'ach, DaH qaStaH DungluQ, 'ej qa'vInwIj vItlhutlhnISbej. but now its noon, and I really need to drink my coffee. DaHjaj qeqmeH mIwvaD -jIHvaD mIw boqaSchoHmoHbogh-, qatlho'.. for today's training -which you provided for me-, I thank you.. On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 12:26 PM, De'vID <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com> wrote:

On 15 June 2016 at 10:09, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:

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juppu' vISuqmeH naDev jIHbe'. 'ej jIHvaD pagh 'oH tlhIngan Hol nugh laj'e'. pagh'e' ! pagh'e' !

tlhIngan Hol DaghojtaH 'e' mevlaHbe' tlhIngan Hol nugh. 'ach DunaDHa'laHbej.

-- De'vID _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org

---quote: qunnoq--- reH, naDev pawta'DI' vay' 'ej mu'meyDaj qab law' mu'mey'wIj qab puS, bep pagh ! pagh'e' ! always, whenever here some new guy arrived, whose requests were way more absurd than mine, noone complained ! noone ! wa'logh jatlhta' vay' : vatlh law' mu' ghajDI' tlhIngan Hol, ngugh vIghajqang ! qaSpa' ghu'vam vIghojQo ! someone once wrote : only when klingon possesses several thousands words, I will be willing to learn it. not before ! 'ej ngugh chay' Suvang ? Subep'a' ? ghobe' ! ghaHvaD jeghta' Hochmey po'wI'pu' ! and then what did you do ? did you complain ? of course not ! all senior members surrendered. tlhIngan Hol ghojqangQo'bogh vay'vaD, Sujeghta'.. for someone who didn't want to learn klingon you surrendered.. mu'meyDaj vIjatlhta'DI', qaSpu'pa' wa' lup neH, tuHIvbej. if I had spoken his words, you would have attacked me in an instant. ---endquote--- Well, you can't see what went on off-list... but maybe they thought "What a weirdo!" and decided to ignore him. Actually, if you're thinking of the same "new guy" I'm thinking of, most of his messages went to my spam folder, so that might have happened to some others too, and then they wouldn't have seen his messages, to be able to attack them. I don't have a very clear memory of that incident, but I haven't seen or heard from him recently... and what do you mean be "surrendered"? It's not like they said, "Oh! Well if you put it that way, here, a bunch of new words!" It seems to me, from what I remember, that it was more like, "Ookie, you can count grains of sand all you want, but Klingon is what it is, so if you don't like it, don't bother with it!" But my memory's pretty sketchy... And I did observe that you said " 'op" and not "Hoch"; surely there are many things true of "some human women", that don't apply to all, and I'm perfectly fine with assuming that "some" doesn't include me, and thus don't really have any reason to be offended. *shrug* -QISta' On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 9:50 AM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:

meq DamoghchoHmoHbogh vIlajchu' ; tlhIHvaD nuv qab jIHba'. I understand your frustration ; you obviously believe I'm the bad guy.

'ach (potlhqu'bogh wa' ghelmeH mu'tlhegh napqu') Daqelbe'ba' : naDev, 'Iv mawbejta' 'Iv. but obviously you're not considering one -so simple yet so important- question: who actually offended who in this list.

ngoDmey potlh tu'lu', ngaDmey DaSovbe'bogh. there are important facts, which you do not know.

toH, qawmeH tawDaq mayItjaj.. so, lets take a stroll down memory lane..

naDev vIpawta'DI', 'oH ghelmeH mu'tlhegh wa'DIchwIj'e' : darthvaD mu' tu'lu'a' ? as soon as I arrived here, my first question was : is there a word for darth ?

'a SIbI' - (QIn ngeHmeH Daq'e' ghajbogh ghaH neH) lo'taHvIS, jIHvaD jatlhlu'ta': but immediately, someone contacted me off list and said :

mu'mey chu'vaD yIghelbe' ! mu'mey chu'vaD bIgheltaHchugh, vaj pIlajQo'. don't ask for new words ! if you continue asking you will be banned.

'ej mawchu'meH mu'mey lo'ta'. and the way he said this was quite rude.

religious terminologyDaq QIn ghom, tlhIngan ghojmeH mIwvaD maja'chuq ; 'ej (QIn ngeHmeH Daq'e' ghajbogh ghaH neH) lo'taHvIS, jIHvaD jatlhqa'lu': at the religious terminology thread, we were discussing the klingon learning process ; and again I was threatened off-list :

tlhIngan Hol Dalo'be'chugh, vaj pIlajQo'. if you don't use klingon, then you will be banned.

'a -ngugh- chay' tlhIngan Hol vIlo'laH jay' ? taghwI' neH jIH. but at that time, how could I be able to use klingon ? I was just a beginner.

DaH, qaStaHvIS jar veb, pabvaD jIgheltaHvIS - pab naDlu'Qo'bogh -, jIHvaD mu'mey Doch lujatlhqa'lu'ta'. during the next months, even while I was asking for grammar, but grammar which someone didn't approve, then again rude words were said.

'ej jIjatlhta'DI' : mojaq chu' vIparHa' vaj poSchoHpu' ghe''or lojmIt ! and when I said : I would like a new suffix, once more the gates of hell opened !

'ach peloS ! qaSbogh latlh wanI' law' tulu' je.. but wait ! there is more..

reH, naDev pawta'DI' vay' 'ej mu'meyDaj qab law' mu'mey'wIj qab puS, bep pagh ! pagh'e' ! always, whenever here some new guy arrived, whose requests were way more absurd than mine, noone complained ! noone !

wa'logh jatlhta' vay' : vatlh law' mu' ghajDI' tlhIngan Hol, ngugh vIghajqang ! qaSpa' ghu'vam vIghojQo ! someone once wrote : only when klingon possesses several thousands words, I will be willing to learn it. not before !

'ej ngugh chay' Suvang ? Subep'a' ? ghobe' ! ghaHvaD jeghta' Hochmey po'wI'pu' ! and then what did you do ? did you complain ? of course not ! all senior members surrendered.

tlhIngan Hol ghojqangQo'bogh vay'vaD, Sujeghta'.. for someone who didn't want to learn klingon you surrendered..

mu'meyDaj vIjatlhta'DI', qaSpu'pa' wa' lup neH, tuHIvbej. if I had spoken his words, you would have attacked me in an instant.

DaH..

'Iv jImawpu' ? pIqarD, wo'rIv ? yInbogh nuv chaH'a' ? who did I offend ? picard ? worf ? are they real persons ?

nuv lujallu'ta'bogh chaH jay' ! toH, nuq 'oH qay'wI''e' jay' ? they are FICTIONAL characters ! so what's the problem ?

mu' {'op}'e' lo'ta' 'op be'pu' QIn. mu' {Hoch} lo'be'ta'. the 'op be'pu' message used the word {'op}, not the word {Hoch}.

'ej ghojmeH nabwIj vIchenmoHta'mo', meqvammo' DaH tupIch ? and because I created a plan in order to learn, because of that reason you blame me ?

SIbI'Ha' mejta'ghachwIj bopmo' nabwIj, tupIch ? because my plan eventually concerns my leaving, you blame me ?

'ach, DaH qaStaH DungluQ, 'ej qa'vInwIj vItlhutlhnISbej. but now its noon, and I really need to drink my coffee.

DaHjaj qeqmeH mIwvaD -jIHvaD mIw boqaSchoHmoHbogh-, qatlho'.. for today's training -which you provided for me-, I thank you..

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 12:26 PM, De'vID <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com> wrote:

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On 15 June 2016 at 10:09, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:

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juppu' vISuqmeH naDev jIHbe'. 'ej jIHvaD pagh 'oH tlhIngan Hol nugh laj'e'. pagh'e' ! pagh'e' !

tlhIngan Hol DaghojtaH 'e' mevlaHbe' tlhIngan Hol nugh. 'ach DunaDHa'laHbej.

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I think your memory is selective. I don't see anyone "surrendering" to him

ratlh vIt, nap, 'ej wa' neH 'oH : mu'meyDaj vIjatlhchugh vaj poSchoH ghe''or lojmItmey. the truth remains, it is simple and it is only one : if I had spoken his words, hell would have broken loose. 'ach muDoychoHmoHmo' ghoHtaHghachvam, QIn ghomvam vItaH vIneHbe'. however, because this constant arguing tires me, I don't want to continue this thread. tetlh Hoch nuvvaD, vuDchaj lughaj Hoch nuvpu'. everyone has his opinion about the rest of the members of this list. vuDraj boghaj 'j vuDwIj vIghaj je. you have yours and I have mine 'ej Hoch nughmeyDaq, parHa'chuqbe' 'op nuvpu'. at all societies, not all people like each other. 'a chut pab chaHvaD net pIH. but one expects that they follow the rules. nap tetlhvam chut : tlhIngan Hol --> vay' DIvI' Hol ---> tlhIngan Hol the law of this list is simple : in klingon about anything, in english about klingon 'ej chaq bIjatlhmo' : nuv vImaw. and because perhaps you will say, that I offend people.. jIjatlhqa' : {'op be'} mu'mey vIlota' ; {Hoch be'pu'} vIjatlhbe' I will say again : I used the word {'op}, not {Hoch} DaH, quv'a' Hoch be'pu' ? quv'a' Hoch loDpu' ? Now, are all women honorable ? are all men honorable ? ghobe' 'oH ghelmeH mu'tlhegh'e'. the answer is no. 'a po'wI'vaD wa' ngoDvam vIpIHbej : pIm {'op} {Hoch -pu'} 'e' lutlhojlaH. but from experts I expect, that they are able to realize the difference between {'op} and {Hoch -pu'}. not yInbogh nuv vImawta'. chIch, not, tetlhvam nuv vImawta'. I never offended a real person, and intentionally I have never offended anyone on this list. 'a jIHvaD tIchmeH tIgh lulo'choHta' tetlhvam 'op nuv, nuq DapIH ? jIHub'eghbe''a' ? but when others on this list start to offend me, what do you expect ? won't I defend myself ? 'ej tagha'.. and finally.. QIn ghomvamDaq jatlhta' vay' : pIghojmoHta'DI', tlhIngan Hol nughvaD bIghaqQo'. on this thread someone said : we taught you, and you don't want to contribute to the klingon society.. wa'DIch : vay' QaHDI', ghaHvo' Doch DapIHbe'. - ghaHvo' Doch vIpIHbe' jIH'e' -. not ! first : when you help someone, you don't expect things in return. - at least I don't. never ! cha'DIch : tlhIngan Hol nughvaD toy'meH nav vIlajQo'. second : I didn't sign a contract for the klingon society. wejDIch : jIghaqta', jIghaqtaH 'ej qaStaHvIS poH nI' pIq jIghaqtaH. third : I have contributed, I am contributing, and for a long time to come I will continue to contribute. chay' ? how ? vatlh law' tlhIngan-DIvI' Hol mu'tlhegh vIghItlhtaHmo' ; 'ej tlhIngan Hol yajmeH laDlaH taghwI'. by writting hundreds of klingon-english sentences, which any beginner will be able to read. 'ej.. klingonska vIghItlhDI', naDev lubop Qubta'ghachmeywIj. as soon as I read klingonska, I will write here my conclusions. 'ach ghaqtaHghach vIwIv jIH neH. but only I will decide, the way of my contribution. 'ej jIghaqmeH qep'a'meyDaq vIghoSnIS qoj tlhIngan yIvbeH SeQHa' vItuQ.. and in order to contribute I don't need to go to qep'a's or wear klingon t-shirts.. Anyway.. As much as I enjoy the sight, of a single borg cube fighting many klingon warbirds simultaneously, I will stop now. jIDoy'choH.. mayqel On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 3:54 PM, De'vID <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com> wrote:

On 16 June 2016 at 16:50, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:

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naDev vIpawta'DI', 'oH ghelmeH mu'tlhegh wa'DIchwIj'e' : darthvaD mu' tu'lu'a' ? as soon as I arrived here, my first question was : is there a word for darth ?

'a SIbI' - (QIn ngeHmeH Daq'e' ghajbogh ghaH neH) lo'taHvIS, jIHvaD jatlhlu'ta': but immediately, someone contacted me off list and said :

mu'mey chu'vaD yIghelbe' ! mu'mey chu'vaD bIgheltaHchugh, vaj pIlajQo'. don't ask for new words ! if you continue asking you will be banned.

'ej mawchu'meH mu'mey lo'ta'. and the way he said this was quite rude.

quv Hutlh HoHbogh tlhIngan 'ach qabDaj 'angbe'bogh.

As qurgh says, no one other than him should be enforcing mailing list policy off-list, much less threatening to ban anyone.

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reH, naDev pawta'DI' vay' 'ej mu'meyDaj qab law' mu'mey'wIj qab puS, bep pagh ! pagh'e' ! always, whenever here some new guy arrived, whose requests were way more absurd than mine, noone complained ! noone !

wa'logh jatlhta' vay' : vatlh law' mu' ghajDI' tlhIngan Hol, ngugh vIghajqang ! qaSpa' ghu'vam vIghojQo ! someone once wrote : only when klingon possesses several thousands words, I will be willing to learn it. not before !

'ej ngugh chay' Suvang ? Subep'a' ? ghobe' ! ghaHvaD jeghta' Hochmey po'wI'pu' ! and then what did you do ? did you complain ? of course not ! all senior members surrendered.

bIlughbe'law'. ghaHmo' beppu' je nuvpu'. vabDot ghaH tIch je latlh. wanI' DaqawHa'.

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tlhIngan Hol ghojqangQo'bogh vay'vaD, Sujeghta'.. for someone who didn't want to learn klingon you surrendered..

I don't see any evidence that he was treated any differently than you.

Some of us who are inclined to be helpful to beginners no matter how silly their questions are tried to help. Some others who are inclined to be more insulting to people who make unreasonable demands insulted and mocked him. I think your memory is selective.

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mu'meyDaj vIjatlhta'DI', qaSpu'pa' wa' lup neH, tuHIvbej. if I had spoken his words, you would have attacked me in an instant.

I replied to him with a question: {tlhIngan Hol Dalo'be'chugh, qatlh ghurbogh mu'tay' DaSaH?}

ghunchu'wI' wrote: "you should demonstrate an ability to use the known vocabulary before suggesting that you need more words".

lojmIt tI'wI' nuv 'utlh wrote a dismissive parable about a random passerby giving unsolicited advice.

The thread is called "19 new words to create" for anyone interested in what else was said.

I don't see anyone "surrendering" to him, nor do I imagine any of the respondents would have said anything differently to you if you had made the same request for new vocabulary. As a long-time member of this list, I can say that the reactions were fairly typical.

QISta'

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Actually, if you're thinking of the same "new guy" I'm thinking of, most of his messages went to my spam folder, so that might have happened to some others too, and then they wouldn't have seen his messages, to be able to attack them.

lugh QISta'. That person's original email triggered the usual spam traps, so it wasn't seen by everyone.

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rInpu' may'vam ; DaH Dujmaj DItI'nIS 'ej mataH.. this battle is over ; now, we need to repair our vessels and move on.. qunnoq On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 4:36 AM, Alan Anderson <qunchuy@alcaco.net> wrote:

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 10:50 AM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:

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ratlh vIt, nap, 'ej wa' neH 'oH : mu'meyDaj vIjatlhchugh vaj poSchoH ghe''or lojmItmey.

DuSuj'a' vabDot qaSbe'bogh wanI'? reH tu'HomI'raHmo' Damawlu'law'.

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