chaq taQ.. reH jIjatlh, qatlho' perhaps it is weird.. I always say thank you. 'ej taQmo' chaq ghel'egh 'op nuv : and because it is weird, perhaps many people will be asking themselves : qatlh reH mu'vam jatlh ? why does he always say these words ? a' wanI'vam QIjbogh jangmeH mu'tlhegh'e' tu'lu'.. however there is an answer which explains this.. puq jIHDI', jIHvaD pIj Su'ghar qutmey Soj lunobta' 'op nuv. when I was a child, people were giving me candy. 'ej lunobta'DI', reH SIbI' mujatlhta' vavwI' SoSwI' je : and as soon as they gave it, always, immediately, my parents would tell me : mayqeloy, DaH nuq DajatlhnIS ? little michael, what do you need to say now ? 'ej ghIq jIjatlhta', qatlho' so then I said, thank you. qaSpu' DIS law', 'ej jInenpu'. since then many years passed, and I grew up. 'a reH qatlho' vIjatlhmeH mughunta'mo' vavwI' SoSwI' je.. but because my parents programmed me, to always say thank you.. mu'meyvam vIjatlhbe'chugh vaj jIjor ! if I don't say these words, then I will explode ! mop Hurgh
On 11 July 2016 at 09:56, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
puq jIHDI', jIHvaD pIj Su'ghar qutmey Soj lunobta' 'op nuv. when I was a child, people were giving me candy.
{-DI'} means "when" in the sense of "as soon as". Consider the expression {naH jajmey} (KGT p.110). -- De'vID
De'vID:
{-DI'} means "when" in the sense of "as soon as"
Thank you De'vID for clarifying this ! Until now, I hadn't actually realized this detail ; from now on I will be using {naH jajmey}. mIv Hurgh On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 12:10 PM, De'vID <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com> wrote:
On 11 July 2016 at 09:56, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
puq jIHDI', jIHvaD pIj Su'ghar qutmey Soj lunobta' 'op nuv. when I was a child, people were giving me candy.
{-DI'} means "when" in the sense of "as soon as".
Consider the expression {naH jajmey} (KGT p.110).
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On 7/11/2016 3:56 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
'a reH qatlho' vIjatlhmeH mughunta'mo' vavwI' SoSwI' je.. but because my parents programmed me, to always say thank you..
mu'meyvam vIjatlhbe'chugh vaj jIjor ! if I don't say these words, then I will explode !
cha'maH wa' wen boghpu' puqloDwI'. roD tlho'. tlho' 'e' wIghojmoH 'e' wInIDbe' jIH be'nalwI' joq; wa' jaj pay' tlho'choH. /Dat doo/ jatlh. /Mommy, daddy/ joq jatlhlaHpa' tlho'laH. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
Mommy, daddy joq jatlhlaHpa' tlho'laH.
Daj ! interesting ! mu'mey'wIj wa'DIch vIqawlaHbe' 'a qatlho' yIjatlh !, jIHvaD jatlh vavwI' SoSwI' je 'e' vIqawbej. I don't remember my first words, but I definitely remember my parents telling me "you need to say thank you" ! mop Hurgh qunnoq On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 4:27 PM, SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
On 7/11/2016 3:56 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
'a reH qatlho' vIjatlhmeH mughunta'mo' vavwI' SoSwI' je.. but because my parents programmed me, to always say thank you..
mu'meyvam vIjatlhbe'chugh vaj jIjor ! if I don't say these words, then I will explode !
cha'maH wa' wen boghpu' puqloDwI'. roD tlho'. tlho' 'e' wIghojmoH 'e' wInIDbe' jIH be'nalwI' joq; wa' jaj pay' tlho'choH. Dat doo jatlh. Mommy, daddy joq jatlhlaHpa' tlho'laH.
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What Klingon words are there for tools? Those arose when I was looking for the Klingon word for "pickax handle", but I could not find "pickax" or" mattock" or "handle". What is the general word for the active end of a tool? (bit (of drill), head of pickax, etc)
I'm not sure there is such a general word. {ghIt} means "ax blade, blade of axe," but that's only part of it. -- Socialist Alternative <http://www.socialistalternative.org/> Klingon Language Institute <http://www.kli.org/> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 5:26 PM, Anthony Appleyard < a.appleyard@btinternet.com> wrote:
What Klingon words are there for tools? Those arose when I was looking for the Klingon word for "pickax handle", but I could not find "pickax" or" mattock" or "handle".
What is the general word for the active end of a tool? (bit (of drill), head of pickax, etc)
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{mupwI'} hammer {Hut'In vIl} screw {Hut'In} nail {DeS} handle, ax handle {'obmaQ} ax {ghIt} ax blade ~naHQun -- ~Michael Roney, Jr. Freelance Translator
Some more I found: ret'aq handle, hilt (of knife, bat'leth, etc.) veragh rivet teywI' file nanwI' chisel ghItlhwI’ stylus chetvI' *chetvi* (spear-throwing device/tool) rItlh naQ pigment stick pe'meH taj cutting knife ?ghob'etlh [a gutting tool] KCD (?) warjun type of knife (used for food preparation) toqwIn stamp, (rubber) stamp (tool/device) yoymoHwI' inverter Some medical devices/tools: Haqtaj scalpel 'uD Haqtaj laser scalpel petqaD bone-mender tuj muvwI' thermo-suture Hergh QaywI' pneumatic hypo Okrand on tools: (TKD, 9) Because research is not yet completed, this dictionary is of necessity somewhat limited in scope. There are certainly more Klingon words than those listed here. Three groups of words in particular are, for the most part, unrepresented: scientific terminology; words for native tools, customs, flora, and fauna; and vocabulary dealing with food. Terms associated with the various sciences are the subject of a special study, and a report is currently being prepared. Klingon words for traditional tools and long-standing customs are difficult to translate into English. (KGT 79-80): Statues are carved of stone ({nagh}, rock, stone) by various techniques. Thus, among other things, the sculptor ({Hew chenmoHwI'} [literally, “statue creator") may {nan} (gouge), {tey} (scrape), or {ghItlh} (engrave). To apply these techniques, specialized tools are employed: the {nanwI'} (chisel; literally, “gouger”), {teywI'} (file; literally, “scraper”), and {ghItlhwI'} (stylus). The word {ghItlhwI'} (literally, “engraver”) is also used for any writing implement as well as for any person who writes. Its use in the contexts of both sculpting and writing suggests that writing began as carving. In addition to the specialized tools, any blade ({'etlh}), even if designed for other purposes, may be used as a sculpting tool. Kahless himself is said to have used his bat'leth, the original "Sword of Honor," to carve a statue for the woman he loved, presumably Lukara. (KGT 61): A {'etlh}, even if primarily a weapon, may be used in other activities as well, such as hunting and even sculpting. Indeed, to restrict the use of a {'etlh} to combat is to minimize the flexibility of its design. By the same token, a blade not designed as a weapon may be used as a weapon if need be, though to be attacked by a warrior wielding something that is normally classified as a tool is considered by some to be an insult to one's honor. (KGT 63): there are also a number of knives designed not as weapons but rather as tools, used only for cutting. These are not as sharp as the weapon knives, nor as artfully decorated. While it is not uncommon to praise the workmanship or design of a warrior's knives, it is important to focus only on the weapons. To praise the tools is an insult. The general term for a knife used as a tool is the same term used for a knife as a weapon, namely {taj}. If context is unclear, this could lead to some confusion. When clarity is required, the tool knife may be called a {pe'meH taj}, a knife for cutting. (KGT 163): The word {Qop} means “be worn out” and is usually applied to old weapons, tools, mechanical devices, and the like. -- Voragh Ca'Non Master of the Klingons From: tlhIngan-Hol [mailto:tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org] On Behalf Of Michael Roney, Jr. Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 8:33 PM {mupwI'} hammer {Hut'In vIl} screw {Hut'In} nail {DeS} handle, ax handle {'obmaQ} ax {ghIt} ax blade ~naHQun
The word {Qop} means “be worn out” and is usually applied to old weapons, tools, mechanical devices, and the like.
this is a beautiful application of the word {Qop} ; but I need to ask.. does this mean that we can't use {Qop} in order to say "I'm worn out" as in "I'm very tired" ? mIv Hurgh On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 5:03 PM, Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu> wrote:
Some more I found:
ret'aq handle, hilt (of knife, bat'leth, etc.)
veragh rivet
teywI' file
nanwI' chisel
ghItlhwI’ stylus
chetvI' *chetvi* (spear-throwing device/tool)
rItlh naQ pigment stick
pe'meH taj cutting knife
?ghob'etlh [a gutting tool] KCD (?) warjun type of knife (used for food preparation)
toqwIn stamp, (rubber) stamp (tool/device)
yoymoHwI' inverter
Some medical devices/tools:
Haqtaj scalpel
'uD Haqtaj laser scalpel
petqaD bone-mender
tuj muvwI' thermo-suture
Hergh QaywI' pneumatic hypo
Okrand on tools:
(TKD, 9) Because research is not yet completed, this dictionary is of necessity somewhat limited in scope. There are certainly more Klingon words than those listed here. Three groups of words in particular are, for the most part, unrepresented: scientific terminology; words for native tools, customs, flora, and fauna; and vocabulary dealing with food. Terms associated with the various sciences are the subject of a special study, and a report is currently being prepared. Klingon words for traditional tools and long-standing customs are difficult to translate into English.
(KGT 79-80): Statues are carved of stone ({nagh}, rock, stone) by various techniques. Thus, among other things, the sculptor ({Hew chenmoHwI'} [literally, “statue creator") may {nan} (gouge), {tey} (scrape), or {ghItlh} (engrave). To apply these techniques, specialized tools are employed: the {nanwI'} (chisel; literally, “gouger”), {teywI'} (file; literally, “scraper”), and {ghItlhwI'} (stylus). The word {ghItlhwI'} (literally, “engraver”) is also used for any writing implement as well as for any person who writes. Its use in the contexts of both sculpting and writing suggests that writing began as carving. In addition to the specialized tools, any blade ({'etlh}), even if designed for other purposes, may be used as a sculpting tool. Kahless himself is said to have used his bat'leth, the original "Sword of Honor," to carve a statue for the woman he loved, presumably Lukara.
(KGT 61): A {'etlh}, even if primarily a weapon, may be used in other activities as well, such as hunting and even sculpting. Indeed, to restrict the use of a {'etlh} to combat is to minimize the flexibility of its design. By the same token, a blade not designed as a weapon may be used as a weapon if need be, though to be attacked by a warrior wielding something that is normally classified as a tool is considered by some to be an insult to one's honor.
(KGT 63): there are also a number of knives designed not as weapons but rather as tools, used only for cutting. These are not as sharp as the weapon knives, nor as artfully decorated. While it is not uncommon to praise the workmanship or design of a warrior's knives, it is important to focus only on the weapons. To praise the tools is an insult. The general term for a knife used as a tool is the same term used for a knife as a weapon, namely {taj}. If context is unclear, this could lead to some confusion. When clarity is required, the tool knife may be called a {pe'meH taj}, a knife for cutting.
(KGT 163): The word {Qop} means “be worn out” and is usually applied to old weapons, tools, mechanical devices, and the like.
--
Voragh
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
From: tlhIngan-Hol [mailto:tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org] On Behalf Of Michael Roney, Jr. Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 8:33 PM
{mupwI'} hammer
{Hut'In vIl} screw
{Hut'In} nail
{DeS} handle, ax handle
{'obmaQ} ax
{ghIt} ax blade
~naHQun
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qunnoq:
(KGT 163): The word {Qop} means “be worn out” and is usually applied to old weapons, tools, mechanical devices, and the like.
Here's the full quote: (KGT 163): The word {Qop} means "be worn out" and is usually applied to old weapons, tools, mechanical devices, and the like. It is also used to mean "be dead," but only in reference to an animal that one was expecting to eat live. If a bowl of dead {qagh} ("*gagh*, serpent worms") is placed before a Klingon, the disappointed diner will probably criticize the cook for preparing {qagh Qop} ("dead *gagh*"). The normal way to say "be dead," referring to a person or animal, is by using the form {Heghpu'} ("has died"): {Heghpu' SuvwI'} ("The warrior has died"). It is not appropriate to say {SuvwI' Qop} ("dead warrior, worn-out warrior.")
this is a beautiful application of the word {Qop}; but I need to ask. does this mean that we can't use {Qop} in order to say "I'm worn out" as in "I'm very tired"?
That's how I read it: "only in reference to an animal ... It is not appropriate to say {SuvwI' Qop}." {Doy'} "be tired" in canon: puq Doy' tired child TKD wa'leS jIDoy' Tomorrow I'll be tired. CK jIDoy'qu' I am very tired. PK jIDoy'be' I am NOT tired! PK jIH Doy' law' SoH Doy' puS I am more tired than you are (HQ 13.1:10) mu'mey Doy' "tired words" (refers to older Klingons' language) [KGT 35] The only way I know of to say "I'm very tired, I'm exhausted, etc." is simply {jIDoy'qu'}. You can always add one of the Type 6 (qualification) suffixes to add nuance: {-ba'} obviously; {-bej} certainly, undoubtedly, definitely; {-chu'} clearly, perfectly; {-law'} it seems (to be), apparently. Since soldiers like to gripe Klingons may well have slang expressions for this - in fact, I'd be surprised if they didn't - but we don't know them. SEE ALSO: QopmoH wear out (TKD K-E only) ngo' be old (not new) (v) qan be old (not young) (v) tIQ be ancient (v) notlh be obsolete (v) ghoQ be fresh, be just killed (meat) (v) -- Voragh tlhIngan ghantoH pIn'a' Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
hahaha !!! whenever I hear, read or think the word {Doy'} I can't stop laughing because I remember this : http://klingonska.org/canon/2004-03-holqed-13-1.txt "..With that, Maltz said {jIH Doy' law' SoH Doy' puS} (<I am more tired than you are>) and left the room, muttering something about considering the next Frasier request at another time.." On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu> wrote:
qunnoq:
(KGT 163): The word {Qop} means “be worn out” and is usually applied to old weapons, tools, mechanical devices, and the like.
Here's the full quote:
(KGT 163): The word {Qop} means "be worn out" and is usually applied to old weapons, tools, mechanical devices, and the like. It is also used to mean "be dead," but only in reference to an animal that one was expecting to eat live. If a bowl of dead {qagh} ("*gagh*, serpent worms") is placed before a Klingon, the disappointed diner will probably criticize the cook for preparing {qagh Qop} ("dead *gagh*"). The normal way to say "be dead," referring to a person or animal, is by using the form {Heghpu'} ("has died"): {Heghpu' SuvwI'} ("The warrior has died"). It is not appropriate to say {SuvwI' Qop} ("dead warrior, worn-out warrior.")
this is a beautiful application of the word {Qop}; but I need to ask. does this mean that we can't use {Qop} in order to say "I'm worn out" as in "I'm very tired"?
That's how I read it: "only in reference to an animal ... It is not appropriate to say {SuvwI' Qop}."
{Doy'} "be tired" in canon:
puq Doy' tired child TKD
wa'leS jIDoy' Tomorrow I'll be tired. CK
jIDoy'qu' I am very tired. PK
jIDoy'be' I am NOT tired! PK
jIH Doy' law' SoH Doy' puS I am more tired than you are (HQ 13.1:10)
mu'mey Doy' "tired words" (refers to older Klingons' language) [KGT 35]
The only way I know of to say "I'm very tired, I'm exhausted, etc." is simply {jIDoy'qu'}. You can always add one of the Type 6 (qualification) suffixes to add nuance: {-ba'} obviously; {-bej} certainly, undoubtedly, definitely; {-chu'} clearly, perfectly; {-law'} it seems (to be), apparently.
Since soldiers like to gripe Klingons may well have slang expressions for this - in fact, I'd be surprised if they didn't - but we don't know them.
SEE ALSO: QopmoH wear out (TKD K-E only) ngo' be old (not new) (v) qan be old (not young) (v) tIQ be ancient (v) notlh be obsolete (v) ghoQ be fresh, be just killed (meat) (v)
-- Voragh tlhIngan ghantoH pIn'a' Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
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On Tue, 2016-07-12 at 18:35 +0300, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
hahaha !!!
whenever I hear, read or think the word {Doy'} I can't stop laughing because I remember this :
http://klingonska.org/canon/2004-03-holqed-13-1.txt
"..With that, Maltz said {jIH Doy' law' SoH Doy' puS} (<I am more tired than you are>) and left the room, muttering something about considering the next Frasier request at another time.."
Every time I say or hear "tired", "hungry", or "thirsty", I think about: 'avwI'vaD jatlh qama' [jIghung] jatlh 'avwI' [jIghung je] jatlh qama' [jI'oj] jatlh 'avwI' [jI'oj je] jatlh qama' [jIDoy'qu'] jatlh 'avwI' [jIDoy'be'!] (From Power Klingon.) - DloraH
jIH:
whenever I hear, read or think the word {Doy'} I can't stop laughing because I remember this : "..With that, Maltz said {jIH Doy' law' SoH Doy' puS} (<I am more tired than you are>) and left the room, muttering something about considering the next Frasier request at another time.."
chaq taQ.. qatlh jIHvaD tlhaQ mu'tlhegh ghomvam. tlhaQ, QoghIjwIjDaq mIllogh chenmoHmo' : vogh ba' matlh, 'ej ghaH tlhopDaq ba' Human. matlh gheltaH Humanvam.. chay' Dochvam vIjatlh, chay' Dochvetlh vIjatlh. qatlh qaStaH Dochvam, qatlh qaStaH Dochvetlh. tagha'Ha' jang matlh 'ej Dochmey QIj 'e' nID ghaH. 'a tagha' moghchoH ! 'ej tlhInganvam wochqu', pay' Hu'choH 'ej puQchu'ghach chIw qabDaj.. QubtaH : Humanpu'.. tlhIHvaD jIjatlhmo', pIch vIghaj ! toH, pa'vo' mej, 'ej tlhuptaHvIS "considering the next Frasier request at another time", QubtaH : Humanpu'.. tuleghqa' 'e' boHarchugh, vaj SuQaghchu' ! hahaha mop Hurgh On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 1:48 AM, DloraH <seruq@bellsouth.net> wrote:
On Tue, 2016-07-12 at 18:35 +0300, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
hahaha !!!
whenever I hear, read or think the word {Doy'} I can't stop laughing because I remember this :
http://klingonska.org/canon/2004-03-holqed-13-1.txt
"..With that, Maltz said {jIH Doy' law' SoH Doy' puS} (<I am more tired than you are>) and left the room, muttering something about considering the next Frasier request at another time.."
Every time I say or hear "tired", "hungry", or "thirsty", I think about:
'avwI'vaD jatlh qama' [jIghung] jatlh 'avwI' [jIghung je] jatlh qama' [jI'oj] jatlh 'avwI' [jI'oj je] jatlh qama' [jIDoy'qu'] jatlh 'avwI' [jIDoy'be'!]
(From Power Klingon.)
- DloraH
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On 12 July 2016 at 00:26, Anthony Appleyard <a.appleyard@btinternet.com> wrote:
What is the general word for the active end of a tool? (bit (of drill), head of pickax, etc)
This doesn't apply to all tools, but the active end of many Klingon tools is an {'etlh}. -- De'vID
De'vID:
This doesn't apply to all tools, but the active end of many Klingon tools is an {'etlh}.
indeed ! I just checked and you're right ! On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 11:01 AM, De'vID <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com> wrote:
On 12 July 2016 at 00:26, Anthony Appleyard <a.appleyard@btinternet.com> wrote:
What is the general word for the active end of a tool? (bit (of drill), head of pickax, etc)
This doesn't apply to all tools, but the active end of many Klingon tools is an {'etlh}.
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