On Nov 29, 2019, at 22:24, Jeffrey Clark <jmclark85@gmail.com> wrote:

So your instinct is that the first construction directly specifies a prison on the Enterprise, whereas the second one leaves the actual location of the prison unspecified — just that it has a relationship to the Enterprise?

Not necessarily, I think both sentences could refer to prisons inside or outside of the Enterprise. FWIW my instinct would be, without further context to clarify, that both sentences refer to prisons inside the Enterprise, but I do see other possible alternate readings as well.

A way for {‘enteprey’Daq bIHHa’ vIjaH} to make sense: “On the Enterprise, I go to the prison.” The action of the sentence happens on the Enterprise. The location of the action is the Enterprise. The action is going to the prison. Unless context dictated otherwise, I’d assume that the Enterprise were in motion toward the prison, and you were on it. Meanwhile, {‘enteprey bIHHa’ vIjaH} simply means, “I’m going to the Enterprise’s prison.” It’s a noun-noun possessive form. charghwI’ vaghnerya’ngan rInpa’ bomnIS be’’a’ pI’.

On Nov 30, 2019, at 4:31 AM, De'vID <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sat, 30 Nov 2019 at 03:45, Jeffrey Clark <jmclark85@gmail.com <mailto:jmclark85@gmail.com>> wrote: A question came up in conversation today about the use of -Daq with object prefixes on verbs of motion.

Would a construction like:

‘enteprey’Daq bIghHa’ vIjaH

Be valid,

This seems to be analogous to this canon sentence: {lupDujHomDaq may'Duj vIchegh} "I return to the battle cruiser on the shuttle"

So you're on the Enterprise, and you're going to prison. (The prison may or may not be located on the Enterprise.)

See these: http://klingonska.org/canon/1998-12-holqed-07-4.txt <http://klingonska.org/canon/1998-12-holqed-07-4.txt> https://www.kli.org/tlhIngan-Hol/1999/July/msg00312.html <https://www.kli.org/tlhIngan-Hol/1999/July/msg00312.html>

and would it have any difference of meaning compared to:

‘wnteprey bIghHa’ vIjaH

Depends on the context. Here, you're going to the Enterprise prison. It doesn't imply you're already on the Enterprise. Maybe you're being ferried to the Enterprise, to enter its prison, on a shuttlecraft.

Or maybe the Klingons have captured all of Starfleet and are putting the crew of each ship into its own prison, and you're going to the "Enterprise prison" (the prison for the crew of the Enterprise).

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