This is interesting. Marc Okrand gave a grammar lecture at Mythmoot V yesterday (https://www.twitch.tv/videos/276418848), and when he says there are three parts of speech (around 19 minutes in), he names them *DIp*/nouns,/*wot*/verbs,/ and *latlh*/everything else./ -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
Daj. chuvmeyvaD latlh pong 'oHlaw' latlh'e'. 'a vay' vISopDI', Hoch vISopchu'be'chugh, chuv 'oHnISbej chuvbogh Soj'e'. “latlh” 'oHbe'ba'.
On Jun 23, 2018, at 12:45, SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
This is interesting. Marc Okrand gave a grammar lecture at Mythmoot V yesterday (https://www.twitch.tv/videos/276418848), and when he says there are three parts of speech (around 19 minutes in), he names them DIp nouns, wot verbs, and latlh everything else. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org
Am 23.06.2018 um 19:45 schrieb SuStel:
This is interesting. Marc Okrand gave a grammar lecture at Mythmoot V yesterday (https://www.twitch.tv/videos/276418848), and when he says there are three parts of speech (around 19 minutes in), he names them *DIp*/nouns,/*wot*/verbs,/ and *latlh*/everything else./
I would guess that he just forgot about what they were called in TKD and just from his mind translated "others" literally as {latlh}. And staying "in the game": naming the {chuvmey} as {latlh} still makes sense. {chuvmey} perhabs is not really a grammatical term, but just a way to refer to anything that's not a verb or a noun (or suffix, of course). -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.de http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/StarTrekDiscovery
On 6/25/2018 8:03 AM, Lieven L. Litaer wrote:
Am 23.06.2018 um 19:45 schrieb SuStel:
This is interesting. Marc Okrand gave a grammar lecture at Mythmoot V yesterday (https://www.twitch.tv/videos/276418848), and when he says there are three parts of speech (around 19 minutes in), he names them *DIp*/nouns,/*wot*/verbs,/ and *latlh*/everything else./
I would guess that he just forgot about what they were called in TKD and just from his mind translated "others" literally as {latlh}.
And staying "in the game": naming the {chuvmey} as {latlh} still makes sense. {chuvmey} perhabs is not really a grammatical term, but just a way to refer to anything that's not a verb or a noun (or suffix, of course).
It would have to be the other way round: "By far the bulk of Klingon words are nouns and verbs. There are a few others which, probably as an expedient, Klingon grammarians lump together in a group called *chuvmey* /leftovers./" So Marc may be calling them *latlh* when giving a talk at Mythmoot, but *chuvmey* certainly is a grammatical term. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
On Jun 25, 2018, at 08:21, SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
On 6/25/2018 8:03 AM, Lieven L. Litaer wrote:
Am 23.06.2018 um 19:45 schrieb SuStel: This is interesting. Marc Okrand gave a grammar lecture at Mythmoot V yesterday (https://www.twitch.tv/videos/276418848), and when he says there are three parts of speech (around 19 minutes in), he names them *DIp*/nouns,/*wot*/verbs,/ and *latlh*/everything else./
I would guess that he just forgot about what they were called in TKD and just from his mind translated "others" literally as {latlh}.
And staying "in the game": naming the {chuvmey} as {latlh} still makes sense. {chuvmey} perhabs is not really a grammatical term, but just a way to refer to anything that's not a verb or a noun (or suffix, of course). It would have to be the other way round: "By far the bulk of Klingon words are nouns and verbs. There are a few others which, probably as an expedient, Klingon grammarians lump together in a group called chuvmey leftovers."
So Marc may be calling them latlh when giving a talk at Mythmoot, but chuvmey certainly is a grammatical term.
Maybe Morskan or Krotmag or some other dialect yet to be described doesn’t have the word “chuv”, so people speaking those dialects call the chuvmey “latlh”.
-- SuStel http://trimboli.name _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org
On 6/25/2018 9:26 AM, Daniel Dadap wrote:
On Jun 25, 2018, at 08:21, SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name <mailto:sustel@trimboli.name>> wrote:
On 6/25/2018 8:03 AM, Lieven L. Litaer wrote:
Am 23.06.2018 um 19:45 schrieb SuStel:
This is interesting. Marc Okrand gave a grammar lecture at Mythmoot V yesterday (https://www.twitch.tv/videos/276418848), and when he says there are three parts of speech (around 19 minutes in), he names them *DIp*/nouns,/*wot*/verbs,/ and *latlh*/everything else./
I would guess that he just forgot about what they were called in TKD and just from his mind translated "others" literally as {latlh}.
And staying "in the game": naming the {chuvmey} as {latlh} still makes sense. {chuvmey} perhabs is not really a grammatical term, but just a way to refer to anything that's not a verb or a noun (or suffix, of course).
It would have to be the other way round: "By far the bulk of Klingon words are nouns and verbs. There are a few others which, probably as an expedient, Klingon grammarians lump together in a group called *chuvmey* /leftovers./"
So Marc may be calling them *latlh* when giving a talk at Mythmoot, but *chuvmey* certainly is a grammatical term.
Maybe Morskan or Krotmag or some other dialect yet to be described doesn’t have the word “chuv”, so people speaking those dialects call the chuvmey “latlh”.
Maybe, but Marc was teaching the standard dialect. Besides, if it had been Morskan, it would have been called *lats.* -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
Describing the non-nouns, non-verbs as {chuvmey} feels a bit derogatory, like they're not important words. {latlh} is at least a little more neutral. Perhaps Klingon grammarians have decided to update their terminology after thirty years of non-Klingon interest in the language. On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 9:43 AM, SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
On 6/25/2018 9:26 AM, Daniel Dadap wrote:
On Jun 25, 2018, at 08:21, SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
On 6/25/2018 8:03 AM, Lieven L. Litaer wrote:
Am 23.06.2018 um 19:45 schrieb SuStel:
This is interesting. Marc Okrand gave a grammar lecture at Mythmoot V yesterday (https://www.twitch.tv/videos/276418848), and when he says there are three parts of speech (around 19 minutes in), he names them *DIp*/nouns,/*wot*/verbs,/ and *latlh*/everything else./
I would guess that he just forgot about what they were called in TKD and just from his mind translated "others" literally as {latlh}.
And staying "in the game": naming the {chuvmey} as {latlh} still makes sense. {chuvmey} perhabs is not really a grammatical term, but just a way to refer to anything that's not a verb or a noun (or suffix, of course).
It would have to be the other way round: "By far the bulk of Klingon words are nouns and verbs. There are a few others which, probably as an expedient, Klingon grammarians lump together in a group called *chuvmey* *leftovers.*"
So Marc may be calling them *latlh* when giving a talk at Mythmoot, but *chuvmey* certainly is a grammatical term.
Maybe Morskan or Krotmag or some other dialect yet to be described doesn’t have the word “chuv”, so people speaking those dialects call the chuvmey “latlh”.
Maybe, but Marc was teaching the standard dialect. Besides, if it had been Morskan, it would have been called *lats.*
-- SuStelhttp://trimboli.name
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