If I wrote: yInwIj DIS cha'maHDIch vISIQtaHvIS.. Would you understand "while I was twenty years old.." ? ~ channgan
Am 17.10.2018 um 19:30 schrieb mayqel qunenoS:
If I wrote:
yInwIj DIS cha'maHDIch vISIQtaHvIS..
Would you understand "while I was twenty years old.." ?
I would understand that you only "endure, bear" your 20th year instead of living it, so somehow negative. But if your question was how to say that in Klingon, then the answer is: "When I was X years old..." {qaStaHvIS DISwIj X-DIch...} -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.de http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/
On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 at 20:02, Lieven L. Litaer <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
Am 17.10.2018 um 19:30 schrieb mayqel qunenoS:
If I wrote:
yInwIj DIS cha'maHDIch vISIQtaHvIS..
Would you understand "while I was twenty years old.." ?
I would understand that you only "endure, bear" your 20th year instead of living it, so somehow negative.
Why is it negative? {SIQ} has no necessarily negative connotations in Klingon. For example, {yIn nI' yISIQ 'ej yIchep!} conveys a positive sentiment. -- De'vID
Am 18.10.2018 um 13:03 schrieb De'vID:
Why is it negative? {SIQ} has no necessarily negative connotations in Klingon.
For example, {yIn nI' yISIQ 'ej yIchep!} conveys a positive sentiment.
Yes, and a celebrant of a party or an event is called the {SIQwI'}. I have the negative connotation from the English gloss "endure, bear", which somehow sounds to me like suffering, as in {'oy' DaSIQjaj} "May you endure the pain". Using Data's words "enduring physical suffering is considered a Klingon spiritual test" (TKW 43) Tha'Ts why I always considered the word {SIQ} as "live with something that's not so pleasant". I understand that is does not need a negative connotation, I'm just explaining why I see it as such. -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.de http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/TheKlingonWay
The issue is a cultural one. Klingons generally consider successfully enduring suffering to be a positive experience. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name From: Lieven L. Litaer Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2018 7:29 AM To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] If I wrote.. Am 18.10.2018 um 13:03 schrieb De'vID:
Why is it negative? {SIQ} has no necessarily negative connotations in Klingon.
For example, {yIn nI' yISIQ 'ej yIchep!} conveys a positive sentiment.
Yes, and a celebrant of a party or an event is called the {SIQwI'}. I have the negative connotation from the English gloss "endure, bear", which somehow sounds to me like suffering, as in {'oy' DaSIQjaj} "May you endure the pain". Using Data's words "enduring physical suffering is considered a Klingon spiritual test" (TKW 43) Tha'Ts why I always considered the word {SIQ} as "live with something that's not so pleasant". I understand that is does not need a negative connotation, I'm just explaining why I see it as such. -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.de http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/TheKlingonWay _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org
The issue is a cultural one. Klingons generally consider successfully enduring suffering to be a positive experience. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name From: Lieven L. Litaer Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2018 7:29 AM To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] If I wrote.. Am 18.10.2018 um 13:03 schrieb De'vID:
Why is it negative? {SIQ} has no necessarily negative connotations in Klingon.
For example, {yIn nI' yISIQ 'ej yIchep!} conveys a positive sentiment.
Yes, and a celebrant of a party or an event is called the {SIQwI'}. I have the negative connotation from the English gloss "endure, bear", which somehow sounds to me like suffering, as in {'oy' DaSIQjaj} "May you endure the pain". Using Data's words "enduring physical suffering is considered a Klingon spiritual test" (TKW 43) Tha'Ts why I always considered the word {SIQ} as "live with something that's not so pleasant". I understand that is does not need a negative connotation, I'm just explaining why I see it as such. -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.de http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/TheKlingonWay _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org
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