jIH:

Among the various time telling methods, is there a method which is supposed to be used in more formal settings than the rest ? And when I say "formal settings" I mean weddings, court trials, religious texts, etc.

There's something I realized, which perhaps answers this matter. In "'maltz online', HolQeD 8:1, pages 7-12", it says:

In dealing with time in interplanetary communication, Klingons have come to use the 24-hour system favored by the Federation.

And later, during the description of the {'arlogh Qoy'lu'pu'} method, it says in reference to this method:

in a time before Klingons traveled around the galaxy

Given that weddings, court trials (of any kind), and religious texts were probably taking place/were probably written before klingons started travelling in space (I can't believe I'm writing this crap..), then logically, the formal/traditional method seems to be the {'arlogh Qoy'lu'pu'}. The only thing which doesn't seem to fit in all this, is something which I read at: http://klingonska.org/ref/time.html There, it says:

In Hol­QeD 8:1 (March 1999) two different ways of telling the time were described. The first system, used for interplanetary communication, is exemplified in the following phrases (if the context is clear, the word te­ra’ Earth may be left out, as in the last example below): te­ra’ rep wa’ Earth hour one or one o’clock te­ra’ rep cha’­maH Earth hour 20 or 20 o’clock or eight o’clock p.m. te­ra’ rep loS wej­maH Earth hour 4:30 rep cha’­maH 20 o’clock, eight o’clock p.m. The second system is an informal way of answering the question ’ar­logh Qoy­lu’­pu’? What time is it? (lit. How many times has it been heard?) In direct response to this question one may even drop the verb, and answer only chorgh­logh eight o’clock (lit. eight times). cha’­logh Qoy­lu’­pu’ It’s two o’clock chorgh­logh Qoy­lu’­pu’ It’s eight o’clock

The problem here is whether the sentence "The second system is an informal way of answering the question {’ar­logh Qoy­lu’­pu’?}", was indeed in HQ, and of course whether it was written by 'oqranD himself. Let alone the fact, that according to that sentence, the thing which actually is informal, isn't the question itself, but the "way of answering to it". And the sentence in question doesn't clarify whether the "informal way of answering" concerns only the answers where the verb is dropped (e.g saying just {chorghlogh}), or whether it has to do with the entire {chorgh­logh Qoy­lu’­pu’} sentence. Anyways, since I don't have the original HQ, I can't know for sure what's actually going on, but unless there's some other Ca'Non I'm missing, then for the time being I'll accept the {'arlogh Qoylu'pu'} as the formal/traditional method of telling time. ~ Qa'yIn

On 7/27/2020 7:54 AM, mayqel qunen'oS wrote:

I've been going through the various time telling methods.

method #1: (from: "maltz online", HolQeD 8:1, pages 7-12)

tera' rep loS wejmaH "Earth hour 4:30"

method #2: (same source)

cha'logh Qoylu'pu'.

method #3: (Eurotalk TalkNow! Klingon)

Five to twelve (11:55) a.m. wa'maH wa'vatlh vaghmaH vagh rep 11:55 p.m. (23:55) cha'maH wejvatlh vaghmaH vagh rep

As far as the first two methods are concerned, I read okrand's explanation with regards to when they are to be used and/or how and why each method originated. Strangely though, I didn't see in the eurotalk any description as to when this specific method of telling time is to be used, or how it originated in the first place.

Which brings me to the question of this post..

Among the various time telling methods, is there a method which is supposed to be used in more formal settings than the rest ?

And when I say "formal settings" I mean weddings, court trials, religious texts, etc.

"Formal" and "traditional" isn't the right way to categorize this. In the Maltz Online article, Okrand says that Klingons use the *tera' rep *twenty-four hour system "in dealing with time in interplanetary communication." He says "in nonmilitary contexts (rare as these may be) and situations where interplanetary communication is not a concern," Klingons' "most common" method is the *Qoylu'pu'* style.**Neither the /Conversational Klingon/ style nor the expanded version of it in /TalkNow!/ are given contexts in which they are used. CK simply says "Klingons have adopted the way most civilized planets in the galaxy tell time." So we have the information that MOST time-telling is in a military context and uses SOME kind of twenty-four hour system. We have two different versions of these, putting the word *rep* either before or after the numbers, one of which also includes *vatlh*. We don't know for sure whether the *vatlh* version is used specifically in military contexts; I would guess that it is. It seems to simply be a slightly different formation. So my guesses would be: Weddings: *Qoylu'pu'* style, unless the wedding takes place on a ship or military installation. Court Trials: I find it hard to believe that Klingons have any nonmilitary courts, so I would expect one of the 24-hour styles. Religious Texts: Klingons clearly didn't adopt 24-hour time until they got to know Humans, so ancient religious texts would obviously use *Qoylu'pu'* style, unless there were some other style we don't know about. Religion to Klingons seems to be separate from the military, so I would guess even modern religious texts would use *Qoylu'pu'* style. However, we know that Klingon religion extends to Klingon planets beyond Kronos, so maybe this would be a case for an interplanetary 24-hour system. "Interplanetary" might have meant "between Klingon planets and non-Klingon planets," in which case one wonders whether Klingon monks would bother using 24-hour time. Note also in CK that Klingons use 24-hour time with Terran tourists and that tourists' movements are restricted on Klingon planets. It's possible that different areas of a Klingon planet use different nonmilitary time systems to accommodate the locals. I would also expect each planet to bend the rules to accommodate varying planetary rotation speeds. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name