There's the verb {nI'} "be long, lengthy (duration)"; so the question is "what does it take as a subject"? A little bird told me, that there's the paq'batlh example of {Qobbogh may' nI' jun}, which shows that the {nI'} *can* take an event as a subject. So, so far so good.. But this led me to wonder.. Could the verb {nI'} take as a subject the noun {poH}? And if yes, then what would be the difference between {poH nI'} and {poH vItlh}? ~ Dana'an an alien language crawling with terran puns; hahaha
On 7/1/2021 8:16 AM, mayqel qunen'oS wrote:
There's the verb {nI'} "be long, lengthy (duration)"; so the question is "what does it take as a subject"?
A little bird told me, that there's the paq'batlh example of {Qobbogh may' nI' jun}, which shows that the {nI'} *can* take an event as a subject.
So, so far so good.. But this led me to wonder.. Could the verb {nI'} take as a subject the noun {poH}?
Yes, it absolutely can, because it has been used adjectivally: *poH nI'*/long time/ (KGT). It has been used other times: ** *yIn nI' yISIQ 'ej yIchep*/Live long and prosper/ (Radio Times) A *yIn* is neither an event nor a time period. *nI' jajvam*/This day is long./ (klingonska.org/canon/1997-06-29d-news.txt <http://klingonska.org/canon/1997-06-29d-news.txt>) *nI' ram*/The night is long./ (KGT) A day or a night might be an event or a time period, depending on how you look at it. It seems clear to me that anything that might exist over a long duration, including time itself, can be described as *nI'.*
And if yes, then what would be the difference between {poH nI'} and {poH vItlh}?
*vItlh* is a very general verb that could be talking about the quantity or intensity of anything measurable; *nI'* is specifically about duration only. Your question is like asking what the difference is between a /long time/ and a /great amount of time./ The latter only gets at its point indirectly. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
Although they don’t really add to SuStel’s explanation, here are more examples of {nI’} "be long, lengthy (duration)" FYI: nI' DaHjaj Today is long. (st.k 6/29/1997) nI'be' yInmaj 'ach wovqu' Our lives burn short and bright. (Anthem) Qobbogh may' nI' long and dangerous battle (PB) [Does anyone have the full verse + translation?] When wondering about verbs, also check how the antonym (if any) is used. Examples of {ngaj} “be short (in duration)” : ngaj ram the night is short (KGT) DaHjaj ngab wa' rep. ngajmo' jajvam, nom bIlopnIS [untranslated] (MO to Lieven regarding Daylight Savings Time, 3/29/2015) -- Voragh ________________________________________________________________ From: tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org> On Behalf Of SuStel On 7/1/2021 8:16 AM, mayqel qunen'oS wrote: There's the verb {nI'} "be long, lengthy (duration)"; so the question is "what does it take as a subject"? A little bird told me, that there's the paq'batlh example of {Qobbogh may' nI' jun}, which shows that the {nI'} *can* take an event as a subject. So, so far so good.. But this led me to wonder.. Could the verb {nI'} take as a subject the noun {poH}? Yes, it absolutely can, because it has been used adjectivally: poH nI' long time (KGT). It has been used other times: yIn nI' yISIQ 'ej yIchep Live long and prosper (Radio Times) A yIn is neither an event nor a time period. nI' jajvam This day is long. (klingonska.org/canon/1997-06-29d-news.txt<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/klingonska.org/canon/1997-06-29d-news.txt__;!!BpyFHLRN4TMTrA!pS2WyX5zGRLu3QXYSgOQTYwBiqVy9XKf2mC-Tp9QzsQVrQqTW10izAco-Vqm9_ovf04$>) nI' ram The night is long. (KGT) A day or a night might be an event or a time period, depending on how you look at it. It seems clear to me that anything that might exist over a long duration, including time itself, can be described as nI'. And if yes, then what would be the difference between {poH nI'} and {poH vItlh}? vItlh is a very general verb that could be talking about the quantity or intensity of anything measurable; nI' is specifically about duration only. Your question is like asking what the difference is between a long time and a great amount of time. The latter only gets at its point indirectly. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/trimboli.name__;!!BpyFHLRN4TMTrA!pS2WyX5zGRLu3QXYSgOQTYwBiqVy9XKf2mC-Tp9QzsQVrQqTW10izAco-Vqm292AtdY$>
Am 01.07.2021 um 16:25 schrieb Steven Boozer:
nI' DaHjaj
Today is long. (st.k 6/29/1997)
For those who like to keep notes more than accurate: This above mentioned message was on "msn" (Microsoft Network), before the board moved to "st.k" (startrek.klingon). Of course, basically it's the same. -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.tlhInganHol.com http://klingon.wiki/En/Usenet
Qatlho'. yIvoq 'ach yI'ol. -- Voragh, Ca'Non Master of the Klingons ------------------------------Original Message------------------------------ From: Lieven L. Litaer Am 01.07.2021 um 16:25 schrieb Steven Boozer:
nI' DaHjaj Today is long. (st.k 6/29/1997)
For those who like to keep notes more than accurate: This above mentioned message was on "msn" (Microsoft Network), before the board moved to "st.k" (startrek.klingon). Of course, basically it's the same.
On 7/2/2021 2:39 AM, Lieven L. Litaer wrote:
For those who like to keep notes more than accurate: This above mentioned message was on "msn" (Microsoft Network), before the board moved to "st.k" (startrek.klingon).
Of course, basically it's the same.
The original newsgroup was msn.onstage.startrek.expert.okrand. It was later moved to startrek.expertform, and finally on to startrek.klingon. All were private newsgroups hosted by MSN. I believe klingon.wiki is incorrect in calling startrek.klingon a Usenet newsgroup. The name does not match the hierarchy in use on Usenet since 1987. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
Am 02.07.2021 um 16:16 schrieb SuStel:
The original newsgroup was msn.onstage.startrek.expert.okrand. It was later moved to startrek.expertform, and finally on to startrek.klingon.
Yes. 3 groups with 3 different names, hence 3 different abbreviations.
All were private newsgroups hosted by MSN. I believe klingon.wiki is incorrect in calling startrek.klingon a Usenet newsgroup. The name does not match the hierarchy in use on Usenet since 1987.
It's an open wiki. You are welcome to make corrections and additions any time. -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.tlhInganHol.com http://klingon.wiki/En/Hamletmachine
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