SuStel:

Not you, mayqel

I'm not inventing new rules. I asked in case after the tkd this rule had been expanded to include additional type-5 suffixes. ~ nIghma' On Oct 29, 2017 11:06 PM, "SuStel" <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:

The point of the question was not how to make the locative noun also the topic noun; the point was to ask whether you could do with any type 5 noun what you can with a topic noun in moving it to the front. The answer is, you can’t.

-- SuStel http://trimboli.name

*From: *nIqolay Q <niqolay0@gmail.com> *Sent: *Sunday, October 29, 2017 3:57 PM *To: *tlhingan-hol@kli.org *Subject: *Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Placement of adverbial elements

On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 3:21 PM, SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:

On 10/29/2017 2:01 PM, nIqolay Q wrote:

Since the *-Daq* is optional with verbs of motion like that, you can sidestep the problem entirely and just use the suffix that we know works here: *pa''e' nom yIjaH!*

The point of shifting the noun with *-'e'* is to reflect its grammatical emphasis by making it the first word you say. A locative noun is not a topic noun, so putting it first does not reflect its grammatical role.

Do what the book says here; don't invent new rules.

I'm not sure what new rule you think I've invented. Take a sentence like *pa' vIjaH*. Is *pa'* not the direct object of the motion verb? If it's the object, why can't it be topicalized and moved before an adverbial? If you wanted to emphasize *pa'* (as opposed to some other destination), why couldn't you put *-'e'* on it? The point of the question, as I read it, was what to do if you want to make the locative noun also the topic noun.

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