One of the meanings of {Hoch} is "all"; but which "all" is that ? "all" as in: {Hoch SamuSHa'} I love you all {chaH DImuSHa' Hoch} we all love them {Hoch vImuSHa'} I love them all Which of ths above is/are correct ? mayqel qun'noS
On 10/12/2017 3:50 PM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
One of the meanings of {Hoch} is "all"; but which "all" is that ? "all" as in:
{Hoch SamuSHa'} I love you all
{chaH DImuSHa' Hoch} we all love them
{Hoch vImuSHa'} I love them all
Which of ths above is/are correct ?
None of those is correct unless the *Hoch* is considered to be direct address. *Hoch, SamuSHa' */Everyone, I love you/ *chaH DImuSHa', Hoch */We love them, everyone/ *Hoch, vImuSHa' */Everyone, I love him/her/it/them/ -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
Am 12.10.2017 um 22:07 schrieb SuStel:
None of those is correct unless the *Hoch* is considered to be direct address.
I agree, when it does not correcpond to the prefix.
*Hoch, vImuSHa' */Everyone, I love him/her/it/them/
Are you sure? {Hoch} is a noun, and when the corresponding prefix is used, I'm sure it can be treated as such: {Hoch vImuS} "I hate [them] everyone" Everyone encounters tribbles occasionally. {rut yIHmey ghom Hoch.} Sour tea cures everything. {Hoch vor Dargh wIb.} -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.net http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/All
Yes, you’re right. I didn’t mean to exclude that interpretation. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name From: Lieven Sent: Friday, October 13, 2017 3:41 AM To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] The all of Hoch Am 12.10.2017 um 22:07 schrieb SuStel:
None of those is correct unless the *Hoch* is considered to be direct address.
I agree, when it does not correcpond to the prefix.
*Hoch, vImuSHa' */Everyone, I love him/her/it/them/
Are you sure? {Hoch} is a noun, and when the corresponding prefix is used, I'm sure it can be treated as such: {Hoch vImuS} "I hate [them] everyone" Everyone encounters tribbles occasionally. {rut yIHmey ghom Hoch.} Sour tea cures everything. {Hoch vor Dargh wIb.} -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.net http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/All _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org
Yes, you’re right. I didn’t mean to exclude that interpretation. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name From: Lieven Sent: Friday, October 13, 2017 3:41 AM To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] The all of Hoch Am 12.10.2017 um 22:07 schrieb SuStel:
None of those is correct unless the *Hoch* is considered to be direct address.
I agree, when it does not correcpond to the prefix.
*Hoch, vImuSHa' */Everyone, I love him/her/it/them/
Are you sure? {Hoch} is a noun, and when the corresponding prefix is used, I'm sure it can be treated as such: {Hoch vImuS} "I hate [them] everyone" Everyone encounters tribbles occasionally. {rut yIHmey ghom Hoch.} Sour tea cures everything. {Hoch vor Dargh wIb.} -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.net http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/All _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org
It depends if by “you all” means “y’all, you guys, you’se guys, etc.” (i.e. you [plural]) or literally “all of you, each and every one, every single one of you”. Some examples to prime the discussion... vaj malopmeH tlhIHvaD nob SaSuqpu' So to celebrate, I've gotten you all a gift. (Hallmark) tIqwIj Sa'angnIS I must show you my heart. TKW SuDal All of you are boring. CK vaj SuquvmoH. [untranslated] (MO to SuStel 11/96 st.k) naDev Sughompu' 'ej Qo'noS SuvwI'pu' Hem tlhIH All of you here, proud warriors of Kronos PB naDev Sughompu' yIn lutDaj'e' Hegh lutDaj'e' je Here now, All of you here, Of the life and death PB qatlh Sutamchu' tlhIH Why are you all silent? PB --Voragh From: tlhIngan-Hol [mailto:tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org] On Behalf Of mayqel qunenoS One of the meanings of {Hoch} is "all"; but which "all" is that ? "all" as in: {Hoch SamuSHa'} I love you all {chaH DImuSHa' Hoch} we all love them {Hoch vImuSHa'} I love them all Which of ths above is/are correct ? mayqel qun'noS
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