Could someone use {qogh} to describe the whole ear, i.e. outer ear *and* inner ear too ? ~ gjjgkg
On Jul 13, 2019, at 11:16 AM, mayqel qunen'oS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
Could someone use {qogh} to describe the whole ear, i.e. outer ear *and* inner ear too ?
qIt. qechvam DelmeH vay' «qogh» lo'laHqu'bej. 'a ruchchugh ghaH, muj 'e' vIHarchu'. Yes. Similarly, someone could use {ngay'} to mean “a nice knock-down argument”. It might be better to ask whether someone who used the words that way would be understood. I believe the answer to that question is “No.” -- ghunchu'wI'
On Jul 13, 2019, at 10:16, mayqel qunen'oS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
Could someone use {qogh} to describe the whole ear, i.e. outer ear *and* inner ear too ?
This makes me wonder whether the middle ear is considered part of the {qogh}, the {teS}, or something else. When I think of {teS} I think of the cochlea, the eardrum, and the tiny little bones whose names I forget, and when I think of {qogh} I think of the part that a barber needs to trim around on the sides of the head, but the ear canal doesn’t seem to really be part of either of those things.
Boundaries vary by perspective. I’d think of {teS} as all the parts that are mechanically or electrically engaged in the sensation of hearing, outside of the brain itself. {qogh} is the cosmetic part that can be bitten or chopped off in battle, and serves no acoustic purpose beyond reflecting and shaping sound pressures before they reach the {teS}, so I would consider the middle ear to be part of {teS}. charghwI’ Sent from my iPad
On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:48 PM, Daniel Dadap <daniel@dadap.net> wrote:
On Jul 13, 2019, at 10:16, mayqel qunen'oS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
Could someone use {qogh} to describe the whole ear, i.e. outer ear *and* inner ear too ?
This makes me wonder whether the middle ear is considered part of the {qogh}, the {teS}, or something else. When I think of {teS} I think of the cochlea, the eardrum, and the tiny little bones whose names I forget, and when I think of {qogh} I think of the part that a barber needs to trim around on the sides of the head, but the ear canal doesn’t seem to really be part of either of those things. _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org
If you want to say to someone: "open your ears and listen", would you use {qogh} or {teS} ? I'm almost certain on the kind of reply which will follow.. ~ kgkghk
{qogh} in canon: (HQ 2.4): Actually, there are two words for ear: {qogh} refers to the flap of skin or cartilage or whatever it is that sticks out on either side of the head... {qogh} "ear", of course is homophonous with {qogh}, belt. When used in context, there is seldom confusion; less so when the plural is used ({qoghDu'} can only be ears while {qoghmey} generally means belts). This homophony explains why the Klingon slang expression {qogh tuQmoHHa'}, literally "take off one's belt" is used to mean to not hear, for example, {qogh vItuQmoHHa'pu'} "I've taken off my belt; your secret is safe with me." (KGT 88): {qogh} (ear - the external part, if there is one; the actual organ of hearing, the {teS}, is usually considered too small to bother with) [i.e. serving as food] (HQ 12.4:9): Ears (at least healthy ones) produce no by-products other than earwax ({Serrum}), which is said to somehow just {vI'} "accumulate" in the ear. In view of the idiom {qogh tuQmoHHa'} I'd imagine {qogh} is the more general of the two words and is heard (!) far more often -- unless you're an audiologist! A more Klingon distinction might be that {qogh} is what you can cut off with a *d'k tagh*, say when you catch someone eavesdropping at an open door: {lojmIt poSDaq Daq pagh}. -- Voragh Ca'Non Master of the Klingons FLAVIUS: What do you call those? [pointing with his rifle at Spock's head] SPOCK: I call them "ears". (TOS "Bread and Circuses") SOVAL: What *is* their fixation with our ears? T’POL: I believe they’re envious. (ENT “Cease Fire”) SPOCK: Somehow they do not look esthetically pleasing on a human. (to Kirk who is disguised as a Romulan, TOS "The Enterprise Incident") -----Original Message----------Original Message----------Original Message----- From: tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org> On Behalf Of Daniel Dadap
On Jul 13, 2019, at 10:16, mayqel qunen'oS wrote: Could someone use {qogh} to describe the whole ear, i.e. outer ear *and* inner ear too ?
This makes me wonder whether the middle ear is considered part of the {qogh}, the {teS}, or something else. When I think of {teS} I think of the cochlea, the eardrum, and the tiny little bones whose names I forget, and when I think of {qogh} I think of the part that a barber needs to trim around on the sides of the head, but the ear canal doesn’t seem to really be part of either of those things.
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