SuStel:
No, it needs to be completed by the action to which the verb the suffix is attached to refers. If that very verb doesn't describe the completion of the action, then the completion suffix isn't appropriate.
I didn't understand a word of this.. jIH:
the event, which is described by the aspect suffix {-pu'} must : 1. be completed 2. have stopped being in effect SuStel: No
I studied the elf-orc examples, and I can't understand why the two conditions I described aren't correct/applicable. I don't know.. this is rather confusing. And I wonder ; even you and lieven couldn't agree on this whole "aspect matter".. And you're both grammarians/experts ! So, what hope is there for a simple guy to figure this out ? Normally, I would throw the towel and follow in the footsteps of our good captain. However, because I'm a capricorn I can't quit ! So, this is how this will go down.. I will study on the internet about aspect in general, and after I finish I will write my conclusions. Then, we'll take it from there.. toQDujlIj ghomqa'DI' buq'IrwIj, Ser wIchav. 'e' vItul.. qunnoq On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 9:21 PM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
maj SuStel !
wa'leS, mu'meylIj vIpoj ! DaH, whisky vItlhutlhta'mo' 'ej jIDoy'mo', jIQongnIS ! murIt QongDaqwIj..
jIQongtaHvIS, nIyma'pu' vIleghbe'. 'e' vItul !
qunnoq ghogh HablI'vo aah who cares..
On 23 Aug 2016 8:35 p.m., "SuStel" <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
On 8/23/2016 11:56 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
SuStel:
That's your error. During the "once," they were still elves. When it was "once," being elves wasn't completed.
hmm.. Perhaps I'm beginning to understand. So you're saying that the event, which is described by the aspect suffix {-pu'} must :
1. be completed 2. have stopped being in effect
right ?
No, it needs to be completed by the action to which the verb the suffix is attached to refers. If that very verb doesn't describe the completion of the action, then the completion suffix isn't appropriate.
Suppose I was an elf yesterday and I'm an orc today.
wa'Hu' elf jIH I was an elf yesterday. During yesterday, I was being an elf. I didn't complete being an elf during yesterday. I completed being an elf after yesterday, but I didn't say DorDI' wa'Hu', I said wa'Hu'. So being an elf was completed, but it wasn't completed during yesterday.
wa'Hu' elf jIHpu' I was (and completed being) an elf yesterday. During yesterday, I was and elf and then my being an elf was complete. I stopped being an elf during yesterday, though I had been one before that.
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