tlhIngan juHqo'Daq tlhIng yoSDaq 'oH toQDuj chenmoHlu'meH Daq wa'DIch'e' 1st Construction Site: The Kling District, Klingon Home World. (KBoP) “in the Kling District on the Klingon home world” = one place (i.e. a single shipyard) loghDaq lupDujHom qoDDaq bIlengtaHvIS, nIbuQbogh novpu' DaSuv Battle menacing aliens in a shuttlecraft journey through space. (STX) “inside a shuttlecraft in space” = one place (i.e. a single ship) versus: poSDaq nIHDaq je QamtaHvIS SuvwI'pu', chaH jojDaq yItnIS lopwI' The initiate must pass through a gauntlet of warriors. (S9) “on the left (side) and on the right (side)” = two places (i.e. two separate rows of warriors) --Voragh From: SuStel On 9/20/2017 9:02 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote: Suppose I write the sentence: {Qo'noSDaq SoSlI' juHDaq qajatlh, latlh be' vImuSHa'} "At Qo'noS at your mother's house I told you, that I love another woman". Do you agree with the above translation, or is it, that due to the absence of a {je} after the {juHDaq}, the meaning becomes "at your mother's house which is Qo'noS I told you, that I love another woman" ? You could interpret it that way. I don't think the lack of a je makes the difference. It could also be interpreted as two separate locatives that both apply simultaneously, one being of a different scope than another. In a cavern, in a canyon Excavating for a mine Dwelt a miner, forty-niner And his daughter, Clementine. In the verse, the locatives in a cavern and in a canyon are not in apposition to each other. The cavern is within the canyon. The subjects of the sentence both have appositional pairs: a miner = forty-niner and his daughter = Clementine. In your Klingon sentence, it's possible that SoSlI' juH is within the scope of Qo'noS. If the sentence did have a je, the meaning would be different: Qo'noSDaq SoSlI' juHDaq je qajatlh I speak to you on Kronos and in your mother's home Here it's possible that you speak to me in both of those places, but not in a single utterance. One day you speak to me on Kronos; another day you speak to me in my mother's house. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name