On 8/23/2016 11:41 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
SuStel:
wa'DIch elves chaH first they were elves. elves chaHpu' they had been elves You don't want both together; that means first they had been elves, which suggests that when you start ("first") they had already completed being elves or that first they are elves for a moment. I'm not sure I'm following here ; perhaps there is a misunderstanding on my part with regards to what the aspect suffix {-pu'} actually stands for.
It stands for a completed event, right ? Does that event, need to have stopped being in effect as well ? The "orcs were elves once". That's a completed event. "Once they were elves". Perhaps later they stopped being elves, but during the point of time which the "once" refers to, there was a completed event, and that event was "they being elves".
That's your error. During the "once," they were still elves. When it was "once," being elves wasn't completed.
I can't understand why we can't have both the "once" and the {pu'}.
Either it's "once" and the elves are still being elves, or it's no longer "once" and being elves is completed.
jIH:
('ej ngugh jang lurtz) : Saruman !!! Again, no aspect suffix here, due to the {ngugh}. "Then (at that time) lurtz replies". Now that I'm thinking of it again, perhaps I could place a {-taH}. "then (at that time) lurtz is replying"..
Replying a single word doesn't sound "continuous" to me... -- SuStel http://trimboli.name