voragh and SuStel, thank you for replying ; I wanted to find a way, in order to use {Hoch} on its own, without a noun needing to be "directly next to it or directly before it". I hadn't thought that it can be used on its own, without a suffix being attached to it, and for this reason I -erroneously- assumed that the only way to achieve that, was by adding the plural suffix {-pu'}. Luckily, after reading all those canon sentences (thank you Ca'non master !), I realized how one can use the {Hoch}/{HochHom} on its own. But, reading these canon sentences, I must comment the following :
quv vuv nuv pagh ghajbogh neH Honor is for those with nothing to lose! PB
I can't understand why the translation is given this way ; I'm only reading "people respect honor merely possess nothing"
tlheDDI' quvmoHmeH veng HeHDaq lutlha' SaD law' nuvpu' Thousands followed him to the edge of the city, to bid him farewell. PB
Shouldn't the {quvmoHmeH} have the verb prefix {lu-} ? As I understand the translation of the klingon sentence, it goes "thousands of people followed him to the edge of the city, in order to honor him (THEY honor HIM), when/as soon as he would depart/departed. mop Hurgh On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 9:23 PM, Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu> wrote:
mayqel qunenoS :
Can we use the {Hoch} "on its own", in a similar way? Would you accept the following?
Ha'DIbaHvetlh luje'laH Hochpu' all people are able to feed that animal
Ha'DIbaHvetlh luje'laH HochHompu' almost all the people are able to feed that animal
How would these be different in meaning from:
Ha'DIbaHvetlh je'laH Hoch Ha'DIbaHvetlh je'laH HochHom
In a pinch you could use {nuv} or {ghot} "person (humanoid)":
Ha'DIbaHvetlh luje'laH Hoch nuvpu' All of the people are able to feed that animal.
Ha'DIbaHvetlh luje'laH HochHom ghotpu' Most of the people are able to feed that animal.
And before you ask, we don't know the difference between the two. Both forms have been used:
butlh ghajbogh nuv'e' yIHo' Admire the person with dirt under his fingernails. TKW
ngIq nuv luHoH they killed the warriors one by one. ('U'-OPERA)
nuv 'umHa' leghchugh veqlargh ngoS nuv 'umHa' Those unfit disintegrate at the glance of Fek'lhr PB
quv vuv nuv pagh ghajbogh neH Honor is for those with nothing to lose! PB
ngIq tonSaw' lo' SaD law' San chenmoH qeylIS wej boghbogh nuvpu' San chenmoH In one single move, Kahless decided the fate of thousands, and those to come. PB
tlheDDI' quvmoHmeH veng HeHDaq lutlha' SaD law' nuvpu' Thousands followed him to the edge of the city, to bid him farewell. PB
jatlh 'e' mevDI' nuvpu' mejmoH ghaH ratlh be'nalDaj luqara' neH. After his last words, all were sent away, but his wife Lukara. PB
vs.
reH tay' ghot tuqDaj je One is always of his tribe. ("A person and his house are always together"). TKW
ghotvam Ho'lu'. 'ej muSlu'. A man to admire... and hate. (ST5 notes)
ghotpu' tamey Personnel Files STC
wey jolpat: wa' (jav ghotpu') Personnel Transporter - 1 (6 Man) KBoP
vaj ruS cher 'Iw rap cha' ghot HoS rap cha' ghot vuD chen yIn ruS So the bond was sealed in blood of two equal in body and thought, the bond of life. PB
-- Voragh tlhIngan ghantoH pIn'a' Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
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